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    for the Democratic Party which supports abortion. You will find organizations like the Brazilian Worker Center which received $55,000 from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development if you check the complete list at CCHD GRANTEES. Know where the money is going. They are not charities. They are political action groups that support the Democratic Party that supports abortion.
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    From the '[Catechism of the Church]:'

    Abortion

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    Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you. Jeremiah 1:5; cf. Job 10:8-12; Psalm 22:10-11.

    My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth. Psalm 139:15.

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    Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

    You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.

    God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.


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    Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication 'latae sententiae,' by the very commission of the offense, and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

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    The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

    The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.

    The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights.


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    Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

    Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence.


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    One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.

    It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material.

    Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity which are unique and unrepeatable.

    I'm still trying to figure out how teaching the above constitutes the Church supporting abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out how teaching the above constitutes the Church supporting abortion.
    It is what you do
    and
    not what you say
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    It is what you do
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    In Matthew 23, Christ says, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." We are to "observe and do" what the bishops 'bid us observe,' just as in the Old Covenant. The Pope (and all the bishops in communion with the papacy) sits in St. Peter's seat, instead of in Moses' seat, and there are many things different between the Old and New Covenants, but this is not one of them. We "observe and do" according to what they bid us observe, not "after their works."
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    that does not include abortion. The Catholic Campaign for Helping Democrats ignores abortion. CCHD GRANTEES are all about unions, immigration, minimum wage, women issues, and the environment but apparently abortion is not an injustice. The people involved with these grantees have no place to go but the Democratic Party that supports abortion. The bishops know this. Do you know what they are doing with your money?
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    not a charity but
    A Political Action Group
    that supports issues owned by the Democratic Party that supports abortion. Let's look at another example of the CCHD GRANTEES that has received money from the Catholic Campaign for Helping Democrats. "CONECT has made an impact on issues as varied as gun violence, health insurance rates, police reform, immigrant rights, and more." Does more include abortion? I don't think so. Are these issues associated with the Democratic Party that supports abortion? I think so.
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