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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    I'm so thankful I'm no longer a Republican.
    not possible with being a feminist
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    I'm so thankful I'm no longer a Republican.
    I am so thankful you are not a republican ...
    TRUST
    is a fragile thing.

    Easy to break, Easy to lose
    and one of the hardest things to
    ever get back.








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    I am so thankful that you two idiots throw away your votes on unelectable morons like Hillary and Bernie

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    that turns out to be the easy part
    and
    you knew that
    Anything founded on subjective valuation is easy to fly, as flags go.

    Doesn't make them worth saluting.
    You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Anything founded on subjective valuation is easy to fly, as flags go.

    Doesn't make them worth saluting.
    The Republican Party needs to either dismantle or a do-over, starting at the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    The Republican Party needs to either dismantle or a do-over, starting at the top.
    With Jesus it was the publicans.

    With us, it's the Re-publicans.

    Are you saying they should become the Re-re-publicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    With Jesus it was the publicans.

    With us, it's the Re-publicans.

    Are you saying they should become the Re-re-publicans?
    Unfortunately, I donít see any sign of Jesus in the Republican Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Unfortunately, I donít see any sign of Jesus in the Republican Party.
    Right. And since He's not in the Democratic party either, let's just get rid of both and go back to a monarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    I am so thankful you are not a republican ...
    I'm so thankful that you're thankful...

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Right. And since He's not in the Democratic party either, let's just get rid of both and go back to a monarchy.
    Horrible idea. It is so vastly inferior as system of government (unless you're the king of a favorite of him). It's on par with suggesting we reconsider adopting slavery as an integral part of our economic policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Horrible idea. It is so vastly inferior as system of government
    So God chose a "vastly inferior" system over democracy for His chosen people? It wasn't like democracy wasn't a thing back then... In fact, He rejected democracy out of hand, killing those who brought it up.

    You need to be careful what you believe, because ideas have consequences.

    That's an example of one.

    God didn't use a "vastly inferior" system of government to rule His people.

    He chose the most stable form of government, one that lasted for several hundred years, if not nearly a millennium. And let's not forget the fact that God will reign as king over the earth for another thousand years, with a rod of iron. Oh, and let's not forget that monarchies reigned (no pun intended) when it came to governments, for over 3500 years.

    You see, God liked the idea of a monarchy, so much so that He planned to use it for His nation, and included it in the Mosaic law, fully fleshed out.

    If I were to set up a government, I would use the same government God did, not what sinful man could come up with.

    (unless you're the king of a favorite of him)
    That made no sense whatsoever...

    It's on par with suggesting we reconsider adopting slavery as an integral part of our economic policy.
    Um, no, it's not. This is the kind of prima facie statements you keep making.

    Though, if I may ask, which kind of slavery are you talking about? Because I am fully against the slavery that we had 200 years ago.

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    hear, read, think, write, talk
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    to improve yourself. Learn to listen. Learn to read. Learn to think. Learn to communicate what you know. These are skills promoted by Jordan Peterson who believes our schools are doing more harm than good. Parents are also complicit in not holding the young responsible for what they do. The liberal academia does not want to listen to this kind of stuff and knows how to "destroy and devalue opposition", a phrase worth borrowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Horrible idea. It is so vastly inferior as system of government (unless you're the king of a favorite of him). It's on par with suggesting we reconsider adopting slavery as an integral part of our economic policy.
    Is it necessarily exclusive to have an autocratic king /queen /monarch, and to still be a vibrant classically liberal country?

    I'm not certain that it is. I acknowledge that our constitutional republic separates powers deliberately in an attempt to protect all of our basic human rights from being stolen by our government, and also with our constitution's Bill of Rights, which is targeted directly at that government.

    But is it impossible for an autocrat to faithfully preserve our rights, instead of a constitutional republic with a bill of rights? I'm just not sure it necessarily is.

    I admit that the question of succession becomes more and more important the further out from any particular monarch that you get. If the monarch has absolute power, and they just aren't classically liberal, then that does seem to contend with a monarchy being inherently able to be a sustained classically liberal state.

    But perhaps a persistent test is required of the monarch, a classically liberal test, a test that survives each subsequent monarch's death, and each monarch must pass it, and it's up to us and not them to determine if they do pass is. This sounds more like the UK's constitutional monarchy, something closer to that, than to our constitution's government.
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    Study philosophy to learn language. Philosophy understands language. Psychology is a branch of philosophy. Peterson's doctorate is in philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    I I acknowledge that our constitutional republic separates powers deliberately in an attempt to protect all of our basic human rights from being stolen by our government
    Where I'd say the Constitution follows the expressed intent of the Declaration in an affirmative sense, to establish before nations our belief in rights that the government is established to protect for the benefit of its citizens, in service to their interests.

    But is it impossible for an autocrat to faithfully preserve our rights
    That's a bit off though. It may be possible for a good king to preserve it as an expression of his will, but who wants their rights subject to the breath of one man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Where I'd say the Constitution follows the expressed intent of the Declaration in an affirmative sense, to establish before nations our belief in rights that the government is established to protect for the benefit of its citizens, in service to their interests.
    We agree on these words as far as we as individuals use them. I suspect however that we might disagree on how to interpret "rights," "benefits," and "interests," especially wrt how they integrate together cogently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    That's a bit off though. It may be possible for a good king to preserve it as an expression of his will, but who wants their rights subject to the breath of one man?
    If he's a good classical liberal king I don't see any necessary conflict. But what about succession? That to me is much hairier, and lends credence to a constitution of some sort that is a higher authority than any monarch, to keep monarchs in line. And who administrates the constitution? That lends to a republic. And should we enumerate the rights? That lends to a bill of rights as part of the constitution.

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