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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    So true, but what about those who don't wish to be free? Should we abolish government (which was ordained by God to rule righteously) and let anarchy rule? Or perhaps we should allow government to continue to be run by secular humanists who want to keep things like abortion, homosexuality and pornography legal?
    Why are you so fixed on other peoples perceived sins while you obviously have a rail road tie sticking out of your head.

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    So you're perfectly fine with 58 million unborn babies being murdered in the womb in a 43 year span? You're perfectly fine with young children being indoctrinated to the ways of perversion via the homosexual agenda?
    You're perfectly fine with families being destroyed by pornography and recreational drug use?
    No, I am not particularly happy with all the abortions... what makes me the most unhappy is how the supposed Christians opposing it are all blowhards and don't compassionately work with women to make bringing a baby to full term a viable option for them. Are you perfectly happy letting the government do the work you should be doing?

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    I don't know if you worship the same God as I do, but His 2nd greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as you'd love yourself. How can you love your neighbor if you're encouraging immoral behavior through immoral laws?
    I don't see any love (only legalism) in what you are trying to do... Jesus would be ashamed of you.

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    The thought of someone being the President of the United States who doesn't go to my church is horrifying (sarcasm). I guess you're not overly concerned with the guy who has held the Office for the past 8 years and spent 20 years before that in a "Black Liberation Theology" church?
    Doesn't bother me at all... the pendulum swings in this country and eventually everything Obama has done, will be undone... Just like Obama undid a lot of what Bush did, etc.

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    Since God ordained civil government as one of three institutions for the governance of man (the family and Church being the other two), I don't understand why Christians such as yourself don't acknowledge the other institutions that God ordained.
    Jesus did nothing to change the Pagan government of his time... you would have a beef with him too. As far as the 'church' governing, since no church currently operating today operates in a manner as shown in scripture, I find that an interesting statement.

    As far as family, Jesus and Apostles were pretty ambivalent about that supposed 'institution' He encouraged people not to get married unless they couldn't control themselves. They treated it as a lesser evil.

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    Anyway, thanks for stopping by, this thread was created for those who wish to defend the godlessness of the current Libertarian movement, not the "My church is better than your church!" crowd.
    You should really go back and study your bible before you continue to show yourself to be a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cellist View Post
    And I'll just say that I have already debated aCultureWarrior on this issue and post after post he would not seriously address my most salient points...
    As I recall we left off in another thread where you defended not only homosexuality, but a daughter having sex (as long as it was 'consensual') with her father (I warned you folks, go out buy some delousing powder immediately if you're going to follow this thread).

    How about sex with animals? How do Libertarians feel about that?

    Before I answer your theoretical post, let's establish how sick (perverted) the Libertarian movement is by wanting to legalize (and keep legal) things like homosexuality, incest, recreational drug use, prostitution, suicide, etc. etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    As I recall we left off in another thread where you defended not only homosexuality, but a daughter having sex (as long as it was 'consensual') with her father (I warned you folks, go out buy some delousing powder immediately if you're going to follow this thread).

    How about sex with animals? How do Libertarians feel about that?

    Before I answer your theoretical post, let's establish how sick (perverted) the Libertarian movement is by wanting to legalize (and keep legal) things like homosexuality, incest, recreational drug use, prostitution, suicide, etc. etc. etc.

    Welcome to reality cellist: Your godless doctrine destroys lives and nations and I'm not going to allow you to ignore that fact.
    Do you think God wants america to last forever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    So true, but what about those who don't wish to be free? Should we abolish government (which was ordained by God to rule righteously) and let anarchy rule? Or perhaps we should allow government to continue to be run by secular humanists who want to keep things like abortion, homosexuality and pornography legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    Why are you so fixed on other peoples perceived sins while you obviously have a rail road tie sticking out of your head.

    I think that we can establish that you are an anarchist.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy?s=t

    Do believe that God is one?

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    So you're perfectly fine with 58 million unborn babies being murdered in the womb in a 43 year span? You're perfectly fine with young children being indoctrinated to the ways of perversion via the homosexual agenda?
    You're perfectly fine with families being destroyed by pornography and recreational drug use?

    No, I am not particularly happy with all the abortions... what makes me the most unhappy is how the supposed Christians opposing it are all blowhards and don't compassionately work with women to make bringing a baby to full term a viable option for them. Are you perfectly happy letting the government do the work you should be doing?
    If God had only ordained one institution to govern man (the Church) you'd have a point, but He didn't. Civil government has a role to legislate righteously and enforce those laws so that they will help morally confused people.

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    I don't know if you worship the same God as I do, but His 2nd greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as you'd love yourself. How can you love your neighbor if you're encouraging immoral behavior through immoral laws?
    I don't see any love (only legalism) in what you are trying to do... Jesus would be ashamed of you.
    While I normally don't spend too much time with the "My church is better than your church!" crowd, I'm making an exception for you.

    If you believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God in the flesh is an anarchist like yourself and doesn't believe in the rule of law, then make your case (show me where he went to the civil magistrates and demanded that all civil laws be renounced).

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    The thought of someone being the President of the United States who doesn't go to my church is horrifying (sarcasm). I guess you're not overly concerned with the guy who has held the Office for the past 8 years and spent 20 years before that in a "Black Liberation Theology" church?

    Doesn't bother me at all... the pendulum swings in this country and eventually everything Obama has done, will be undone... Just like Obama undid a lot of what Bush did, etc.
    Undone by who? Remember that you're an anarchist and can't expect righteous leaders to undo immoral legislation (and let me help you with your history: legal abortion has been around 35 years before B. Hussein Obama became President).

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    Since God ordained civil government as one of three institutions for the governance of man (the family and Church being the other two), I don't understand why Christians such as yourself don't acknowledge the other institutions that God ordained.
    Jesus did nothing to change the Pagan government of his time... you would have a beef with him too. As far as the 'church' governing, since no church currently operating today operates in a manner as shown in scripture, I find that an interesting statement.

    As far as family, Jesus and Apostles were pretty ambivalent about that supposed 'institution' He encouraged people not to get married unless they couldn't control themselves. They treated it as a lesser evil.
    Did He ever encourage homosexual 'marriage'?

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    Anyway, thanks for stopping by, this thread was created for those who wish to defend the godlessness of the current Libertarian movement, not the "My church is better than your church!" crowd.

    You should really go back and study your bible before you continue to show yourself to be a fool.
    My Bible has a lot of passages and verses about the role of civil government. Anytime that you want to get together and view them give me a holler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    Do you think God wants america to last forever?
    Not in the state that it's in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    So true, but what about those who don't wish to be free? Should we abolish government (which was ordained by God to rule righteously) and let anarchy rule? Or perhaps we should allow government to continue to be run by secular humanists who want to keep things like abortion, homosexuality and pornography legal?




    I think that we can establish that you are an anarchist.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy?s=t

    Do believe that God is one?

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    So you're perfectly fine with 58 million unborn babies being murdered in the womb in a 43 year span? You're perfectly fine with young children being indoctrinated to the ways of perversion via the homosexual agenda?
    You're perfectly fine with families being destroyed by pornography and recreational drug use?



    If God had only ordained one institution to govern man (the Church) you'd have a point, but He didn't. Civil government has a role to legislate righteously and enforce those laws so that they will help morally confused people.

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    I don't know if you worship the same God as I do, but His 2nd greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as you'd love yourself. How can you love your neighbor if you're encouraging immoral behavior through immoral laws?


    While I normally don't spend too much time with the "My church is better than your church!" crowd, I'm making an exception for you.

    If you believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God in the flesh is an anarchist like yourself and doesn't believe in the rule of law, then make your case (show me where he went to the civil magistrates and demanded that all civil laws be renounced).

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    The thought of someone being the President of the United States who doesn't go to my church is horrifying (sarcasm). I guess you're not overly concerned with the guy who has held the Office for the past 8 years and spent 20 years before that in a "Black Liberation Theology" church?



    Undone by who? Remember that you're an anarchist and can't expect righteous leaders to undo immoral legislation (and let me help you with your history: legal abortion has been around 35 years before B. Hussein Obama became President).

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    Since God ordained civil government as one of three institutions for the governance of man (the family and Church being the other two), I don't understand why Christians such as yourself don't acknowledge the other institutions that God ordained.
    Jesus did nothing to change the Pagan government of his time... you would have a beef with him too. As far as the 'church' governing, since no church currently operating today operates in a manner as shown in scripture, I find that an interesting statement.



    Did He ever encourage homosexual 'marriage'?

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

    Anyway, thanks for stopping by, this thread was created for those who wish to defend the godlessness of the current Libertarian movement, not the "My church is better than your church!" crowd.



    My Bible has a lot of passages and verses about the role of civil government. Anytime that you want to get together and view them give me a holler.
    I am not an Antichrist at all, I believe that the Government has the responsibility of protecting its citizens from one another and our country from foreign invasion.

    Our constitution also limits government, you seem to want to expand it greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    I am not an Antichrist at all...
    I said anarchist, not antichrist.

    I believe that the Government has the responsibility of protecting its citizens from one another...
    That's a pretty broad statement, but let's go with that. How is the government protecting innocent children that are being indoctrinated by the homosexual agenda? How is the government protecting the rights of parents who have no say in many states that give their child who is a minor the supposed "right" to get an abortion or have genital mutilation surgery to physically become a member of the opposite sex?

    Our constitution also limits government, you seem to want to expand it greatly.
    You mean the constitution that was written "only for a moral and religious people"?

    Why do you defend perversion and have the audacity to call yourself a follower of Christ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    As I recall we left off in another thread where you defended not only homosexuality, but a daughter having sex (as long as it was 'consensual') with her father (I warned you folks, go out buy some delousing powder immediately if you're going to follow this thread).

    How about sex with animals? How do Libertarians feel about that?

    Before I answer your theoretical post, let's establish how sick (perverted) the Libertarian movement is by wanting to legalize (and keep legal) things like homosexuality, incest, recreational drug use, prostitution, suicide, etc. etc. etc.

    Welcome to reality cellist: Your godless doctrine destroys lives and nations and I'm not going to allow you to ignore that fact.
    Another emotion appeal without argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I said anarchist, not antichrist.



    That's a pretty broad statement, but let's go with that. How is the government protecting innocent children that are being indoctrinated by the homosexual agenda? How is the government protecting the rights of parents who have no say in many states that give their child who is a minor the supposed "right" to get an abortion or have genital mutilation surgery to physically become a member of the opposite sex?



    You mean the constitution that was written "only for a moral and religious people"?

    Why do you defend perversion and have the audacity to call yourself a follower of Christ?
    I follow Christ, you do not.... lets just get that perfectly straight.. You only follow Christ when it suits your political agenda.

    Its the parents job to raise up their children to understand when the educational system is teaching them BS or indoctrinating them. Who cares about the homosexual agenda... ones sexual preference is and always be a choice that one then acts on. As a parent, you have a duty to educate them about that choice.

    Children under the age of consent should have the absolute last say as to whether their children have an abortion or decide to mutilate themselves, once they reach 18, they should be free to do what they want and if they decide to, you can consider yourself a failure as a parent.

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    The problem is aCultureWarrior, is that you think in making these various sexual sins illegal they are going to result in people actually changing their behavior and lifestyles. The minuscule amount of difference they would make, if any, isn't worth the precedent set for the state to take away self ownership. The precedent for me is more dangerous than the sexual sins you are obsessed with - and boy, are you obsessed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellist View Post
    The problem is aCultureWarrior, is that you think in making these various sexual sins illegal they are going to result in people actually changing their behavior and lifestyles. The minuscule amount of difference they would make, if any, isn't worth the precedent set for the state to take away self ownership. The precedent for me is more dangerous than the sexual sins you are obsessed with - and boy, are you obsessed!
    usually, people this obsessed end up caught doing them... I am worried about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cellist View Post
    The problem is aCultureWarrior, is that you think in making these various sexual sins illegal they are going to result in people actually changing their behavior and lifestyles. The minuscule amount of difference they would make, if any, isn't worth the precedent set for the state to take away self ownership. The precedent for me is more dangerous than the sexual sins you are obsessed with - and boy, are you obsessed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    usually, people this obsessed end up caught doing them... I am worried about him.
    Quote Originally Posted by TomO View Post
    Oh, he's got bigger problems than that.
    I hope not! But I have never been involved in a discussion or debate on this topic that focused so much on sexual behavior! It's kind of weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellist View Post
    The problem is aCultureWarrior, is that you think in making these various sexual sins illegal they are going to result in people actually changing their behavior and lifestyles. The minuscule amount of difference they would make, if any, isn't worth the precedent set for the state to take away self ownership. The precedent for me is more dangerous than the sexual sins you are obsessed with - and boy, are you obsessed!
    Let's say that one of those homosexuals that you're so fond about decides to rape a little boy (which is quite common in LGBT movement). If they're put away someplace where they can't have access to children, wouldn't that make a huge difference (as opposed to a miniscule one) as to their behavior and lifestyle?

    Now this is the part of the show where you say things like "But children can't give consent to be sodomized" and I reply "You're borrowing off of Judeo-Christian doctrine, because the Greeks and other pagan-run nations never relied on "consent".

    Oh and by the way cellist: When can we talk about the Libertarian stance on bestiality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellist View Post
    ...I have never been involved in a discussion or debate on this topic that focused so much on sexual behavior reality! It's kind of weird.
    Fixed that for ya.
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