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    The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.
    Really?

    I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.
    As being "born again", right?
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.

    I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.

    With those things said, what exactly is "pisteuo?"

    "Pisteuo" is the Greek word, a verb, that's corresponds with the Greek word, a noun, "pistis".

    When pistis and pisteuo were translated into the English texts, Pistis is where we get our word
    "faith", the noun, was no problem. But when the translators tried to find an English word for "pisteuo," there was none. Pisteuo is a verb, An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act that the Greek word pisteuo needed to translate to English is, the vines: "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." The Strongs: "Pisteuo means not just to believe, but to be persuaded, to trust, to place confidence in, signifies reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated "commit unto," "commit to ones trust,"Be commited unto".

    Pisteuo is the word that describes, encompasses, and teaches us what NT saving Faith is. We should have had the words faither, faithing, and to faithe, for the translators to use when translating pisteuo into English. But only because they had no other choice, they had to go with believer, believing, and to believe. The word pisteuo and it's English mistranslations are used over 250 times in the NT. The words believer, believing, and to believe are only one third of what Nt saving Faith is. And building an understanding on any of these three words is not NT saving Faith.
    Rom 8:9 Without fulfilling pisteuo , we are God enemy , outside of Christ .

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    You are NOT of a Christian belief. I don't know of what you are but safe to say: you are of Jesus Christ.

    'nough said.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    . . . . . . FINE
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.

    I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.

    With those things said, what exactly is "pisteuo?"

    "Pisteuo" is the Greek word, a verb, that's corresponds with the Greek word, a noun, "pistis".

    When pistis and pisteuo were translated into the English texts, Pistis is where we get our word
    "faith", the noun, was no problem. But when the translators tried to find an English word for "pisteuo," there was none. Pisteuo is a verb, An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act that the Greek word pisteuo needed to translate to English is, the vines: "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." The Strongs: "Pisteuo means not just to believe, but to be persuaded, to trust, to place confidence in, signifies reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated "commit unto," "commit to ones trust,"Be commited unto".

    Pisteuo is the word that describes, encompasses, and teaches us what NT saving Faith is. We should have had the words faither, faithing, and to faithe, for the translators to use when translating pisteuo into English. But only because they had no other choice, they had to go with believer, believing, and to believe. The word pisteuo and it's English mistranslations are used over 250 times in the NT. The words believer, believing, and to believe are only one third of what Nt saving Faith is. And building an understanding on any of these three words is not NT saving Faith.
    Faithing is the one thing He will not force upon us . He can do everything else for us , but we got to faithe . He could provide redemption , and covering for our sins , He could provide direction . He can create mansions , pour His Spirit out on us , but without Faith it is impossible to please God .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Faithing is the one thing He will not force upon us . He can do everything else for us , but we got to faithe . He could provide redemption , and covering for our sins , He could provide direction . He can create mansions , pour His Spirit out on us , but without Faith it is impossible to please God .

    You have convinced me: You really don't know what being born again is all about.

    However, don't bother with a reply because I am not going answer it.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Faithing is the one thing He will not force upon us . He can do everything else for us , but we got to faithe . He could provide redemption , and covering for our sins , He could provide direction . He can create mansions , pour His Spirit out on us , but without Faith it is impossible to please God .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    The Greek word "pisteuo". Probably the most important word that we will ever hear as called out ones. I consider this word to be the "secret of the universe". Because one day, God will reveal the importance of "pisteuo," and everyone will know it was right there in front of us all the time.

    I beat this drum of "pisteuo ", because without actively exercising "pisteuo", no one can have the relationship with Christ that the NT talks about. An indwelling Holy Spirit, being in Christ, having Gods nature flowing through us, the word of God being ours to look at like a mirror, the mind of Christ, to be able to have that continual praying without ceasing. Without "pisteuo," none of these things will come to pass.

    With those things said, what exactly is "pisteuo?"

    "Pisteuo" is the Greek word, a verb, that's corresponds with the Greek word, a noun, "pistis".

    When pistis and pisteuo were translated into the English texts, Pistis is where we get our word
    "faith", the noun, was no problem. But when the translators tried to find an English word for "pisteuo," there was none. Pisteuo is a verb, An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act that the Greek word pisteuo needed to translate to English is, the vines: "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." The Strongs: "Pisteuo means not just to believe, but to be persuaded, to trust, to place confidence in, signifies reliance upon, not mere credence, hence it is translated "commit unto," "commit to ones trust,"Be commited unto".

    Pisteuo is the word that describes, encompasses, and teaches us what NT saving Faith is. We should have had the words faither, faithing, and to faithe, for the translators to use when translating pisteuo into English. But only because they had no other choice, they had to go with believer, believing, and to believe. The word pisteuo and it's English mistranslations are used over 250 times in the NT. The words believer, believing, and to believe are only one third of what Nt saving Faith is. And building an understanding on any of these three words is not NT saving Faith.

    Faith goes beyond "belief."

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    A,B,Cs of Faith .

    Action , based upon a belief , sustained by confidense .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Rom 8:9 tells us of a foundational truth in Gods world, very simple one.

    If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ is not ours, if Christ is not ours, then Gods word is not ours.

    This is the Salvation journey in detail as I understand it, and how I have experienced it.


    The Salvation timeline or journey are the Biblical happenings that unfold as we are Faithing into and in Christ. I understand many will not agree with this timeline. All I ask is that if you disagree with my understanding or timeline, please post your understanding of your timeline of events that happen when we are drawn, tested, sealed, and maintaining in Christ.

    1) The world or the field:

    a) Christ bought this entire field to get the treasure out of it.
    b) People are called out from this field.
    c) people are not called out from this field.
    e) The drawing of the Father starts here.
    f) The beginning of the perfecting process starts here.
    g) No prayer or worship is acceptable here yet.
    h) Not sealed with the Holy Spirit yet. Not His yet. Rom. 8:9
    I) No gift of hearing yet.

    2)The Door or the sacrifice.

    a) The surrendering of our life and will to God. (Faithing or Pisteuo)
    b) Here an act of Faithing is acceptable by a hearing of Christ or His Word. But we are still outside of Gods Word at this point.
    c) No saving Faith yet.
    d) We are still outside of Gods word here an not His yet. Rom: 8:9
    e) Here prayer and worship are not acceptable by God yet.
    f) Alternate paths are formed to go over or around having to make this surrender.
    g) The gift of hearing starts to happen here when our surrender has been deemed genuine. (not perfect)

    3)Parable of the sower.

    a)Called out ones are the soil.
    b) Gods Word or Christ is the seed.
    c) We have the gift of hearing here.
    d) this is a testing or proving ground.
    e)A grafting process is happening here.
    f) A response starts to happen.
    g) The paradox begins to form here.
    h) Here, Christ is beginning to be formed in our hearts by Faithing.
    I) Decisions are made here ( a life inspired by our surrender) that show God we are really trying to surrender our entire life and will to Him. (not perfection, genuine)
    j) No prayer or worship acceptable by God yet.
    k) No saving Faith here yet.

    4) He accepts the offering of our life and will to Him.

    a) Here is the point where our surrender or sacrifice has been accepted.
    b) God seals in us His Holy Spirit, making us a temple of the Holy Spirit.
    c) A Spiritual awakening happens here.
    d) The dynamite power of the Holy Spirit goes off here.
    e) Gods nature begins to flow.
    f)The kind of giving that can't be imitated starts to happen.
    g)Saving Faith has begun.
    h) Prayer and worship are acceptable now. (Holy Spirit interceding)
    I) For the first time, He is in us and we are in Him.
    j) A called out one can only experience this point of the journey one time.
    k) Again, attempts are made to go over or around this point of the process to no avail.

    5) The product.

    a) Here, God is producing Faithers that are responding with saving Faith.
    b) Here, the preconditions have been met. (Not as works to be saved, but works as the result of being saved.)
    c) Here, a continuous state of Faithing or surrender is happening.
    d) Here, we are either being saved, (pisteuo) or perishing, ( apisteuo).
    e) Here the perfecting process is being perfected.
    f) This is not a destination.
    g) We should expect the Word or Christs nature to be flowing through us continuously here.
    H) Here, we are His and He is ours. We are in a state where it's harder to get out of His will, than it is to stay in it.
    I) here we are in the same state as Paul was in Romans 7:14-20.
    Buyer of this be aware:

    No mention of a "new birth" (cf John 3:3,5 KJV ONLY) from above is required whereby one is taught [given 'understanding insight'] and sealed to the Father by His indwelling Holy Spirit that sanctification might begin unto "sonship" in Him, per John 1:12 (KJV ONLY).. Read also 1 John 2 in its entirety for what being sanctified encompasses which John explains as being intimacy given his insight into what Jesus was praying for in John 17.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Buyer of this be aware:

    No mention of a "new birth" (cf John 3:3,5 KJV ONLY) from above is required whereby one is taught [given 'understanding insight'] and sealed to the Father by His indwel beling Holy Spirit that sanctification might begin unto "sonship" in Him, per John 1:12 (KJV ONLY).. Read also 1 John 2 in its entirety for what being sanctified encompasses which John explains as being intimacy given his insight into what Jesus was praying for in John 17.
    Being able to read is one of the small requirements to understand this understanding . What I humbly submitted as phase 4 , is the new birth and sealing of the Holy Spirit . Technically , the entire process is the new birth .

    You once asked me , "where does it say that we have to have the Spirit of Christ in us to be in Christ ?,". It sounds like you've grown past that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Being able to read is one of the small requirements to understand this understanding . What I humbly submitted as phase 4 , is the new birth and sealing of the Holy Spirit . Technically , the entire process is the new birth .

    You once asked me , "where does it say that we have to have the Spirit of Christ in us to be in Christ ?,". It sounds like you've grown past that ?
    I don't believe that is what I wrote. You have me confused with someone else.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    I don't believe that is what I wrote. You have me confused with someone else.
    Your post , your words , you wrote it !
    I forgive you just the same . Not only for that , and calling me confused , but also for the personal attacks , misrepresentations , name calling , and somehow getting me removed from your OC thread , while you have a free for or all on mine . Anything else you have to offer from with in yourself ?

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    [QUOTE=Faither;5170449]
    Your post , your words , you wrote it !
    Pull it up. Lets look at it.


    I forgive you just the same . Not only for that , and calling me confused , but also for the personal attacks , misrepresentations , name calling , and somehow getting me removed from your OC thread , while you have a free for or all on mine . Anything else you have to offer from with in yourself ?
    Only if you "pull it up and lets look at it".
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit." Hebrews 6:1-3 (KJV) . .
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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