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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    What does the book of Hebrews have to do with the Body of Christ?
    nada!

    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Hebrews uses the term "heavenly" 5 times, but does not emphasize the "earthly". However, it does mention the "heavenly Jerusalem" (city). So, it could be conjectured that the "Hebrews" are of a different group of "elect".
    But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. Heb 11:16
    But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels Heb 12:22

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    Hebrews uses the term "heavenly" 5 times, but does not emphasize the "earthly". However, it does mention the "heavenly Jerusalem" (city). So, it could be conjectured that the "Hebrews" are of a different group of "elect".

    But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. Heb 11:16
    But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels Heb 12:22
    Received this the other day, found it interesting.

    So Great Salvation
    by Justin Johnson

    “How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him” Hebrews 2:3

    The author and audience of the book of Hebrews participate in a great salvation that was preached to Israel in their “last days” (Heb 1:2; Acts 2:17).

    Their salvation “first began to be spoken by the Lord”, which means it was truly theirs, since salvation was of the Jews in the Lord’s ministry (John 4:22). Gentiles would receive blessing after Israel received theirs (Matt 10:5).

    Salvation at that time was found in the house of David, spoken by the mouth of the prophets since the world began (Luke 1:69). It had not yet been sent to Gentiles, and did not concern any mystery kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25).

    Salvation was in the promised “child born” of Isaiah 9:6 which would become the glory of Israel (Luke 2:30-32).

    Salvation would follow the judgment of the world in Israel’s kingdom, making it always a future hope if they walked the straight and narrow way (Matt 7:14).


    “Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.” Luke 3:5-6

    When Zacchaeus gave half his goods to the poor, the Lord rewarded his obedience with declaring salvation…



    “This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.” Luke 19:9

    The Lord spoke salvation that was promised to the fathers (Rom 15:8), that came through Israel (Matt 15:24), which required faith and obedience (Matt 19:17), and which would come with the kingdom in the end (Mark 13:13).

    The author and audience of Hebrews could slip, fall away, and could not escape judgment for sins if they neglected their salvation (Heb 2:1, 6:6, 10:26-31).

    This certainly does not sound like Paul, the dispenser of God’s grace toward sinners.

    Nevertheless, whomever wrote the epistle, Hebrews does not describe the gospel of salvation without Israel, without the law, and without covenants sent freely to the ungodly. It says nothing about the new creature in Christ, nor the mystery of God’s will.

    In short it does not contain the mystery of the gospel by which all men are saved today, the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery.

    Hebrews speaks to those who have been promised salvation in a king and a kingdom and have not yet received them. It explains Christ according to prophecy (Rev 19:10).

    Hebrews contains the great salvation prophesied for Israel, but it does not explain the mystery of the gospel wherein we find the exceeding riches of God’s grace for the church today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    From reading Hebrews, what conclusion would you make as to what Jews are in the Body of Christ?
    Those saved Jews not described in Hebrews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    nada!

    Try teaching the DETAILS OF The Cross without bringing in passages from Hebrews.

    Though a Circumcision Epistle, there is much in THEIR Epistles in terms of Principles SHARED by both The Body of Christ and the Israel of God, and visa versa, Rom. 15:4; 2 Peter 3:15.

    Same Principle/Different Application

    The 28ers fail to see this Principle, as well.

    Example - same Spirit in 2 Cor. 3/Different Dispensational Application, and so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Try teaching the DETAILS OF The Cross without bringing in passages from Hebrews.

    Though a Circumcision Epistle, there is much in THEIR Epistles in terms of Principles SHARED by both The Body of Christ and the Israel of God, and visa versa, Rom. 15:4; 2 Peter 3:15.

    Same Principle/Different Application
    From reading Hebrews, you cannot learn what Jews are in the Body of Christ. That was the context of the "nada".
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Try teaching the DETAILS OF The Cross without bringing in passages from Hebrews.
    As for this, just off the top of my head and from the form of sound words of Paul:

    Romans 4:25 KJV
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
    Galatians 1:3-5 KJV
    Galatians 3:13 KJV
    Colossians 2:11-13 KJV
    2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
    2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    As for this, just off the top of my head and from the form of sound words of Paul:

    Romans 4:25 KJV
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
    Galatians 1:3-5 KJV
    Galatians 3:13 KJV
    Colossians 2:11-13 KJV
    2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
    2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
    I'm talking about even greater details - about the Blood, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    From reading Hebrews, you cannot learn what Jews are in the Body of Christ. That was the context of the "nada".
    Agreed on this one.

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    Hi and there are NO JEWS in the Body of Christ as freferenced in Gal 3:28 explains ,

    If you do not knlow what Gal 3:28 , just ask and I will explain it to you ??

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