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    The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.
    The Son is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit.
    The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?
    Because He gives the testimony of Jesus. Without the testimony of Jesus there is no salvation.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?
    Who told you that?

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

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    From a derivative of βλάπτω (G984) to hurt and φήμη (G5345) fame. In effect, defame or slander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    What do you know about what a Christian is?

    What can you show me from scripture?

    Romans 10:9-10 tells how to receive salvation.

    It says nothing about Jesus being God, nor a trinity.

    It actually refutes it.

    God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead.

    Plain as any scripture could ever be.
    Better read it again there are several scriptures where it says Jesus raised Himself.

    Jhn 2:19
    Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.
    The Son is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit.
    The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father.
    You might want to do some more study.


    1Jo 5:7
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    You might want to do some more study.


    1Jo 5:7
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    The trouble is that there is no καὶ between father and word. The word is YHWH, not the christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    The trouble is that there is no καὶ between father and word. The word is YHWH, not the christ.
    They are one and the same ! Re-read John 1:1 i.e. "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God".

    Then jump to John 1:14 "and the word became flesh and dwelt among us".

    Then jump to John 8:58 where Jesus told them "before Abraham He was i.e. the "I AM".

    Then you might want to read Thomas's response to seeing Jesus alive after He was crucified which was " My Lord and my God". Since Jesus did not correct Thomas if Jesus isn't God He would be guilty of accepting worship and praise only God is worthy to receive.

    There are many many more scriptures that prove Jesus is God but you can only see them when you seek God with all of your heart.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    John 1:1c with Greek
    καὶ θεὸς ἦν<-->"... and the god, it was."
    YHWH is the word that is the god; not Yeshua.

    John 1:14a with Greek
    Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο <--> and a word the flesh was being happened/started ...
    Not the same logos.

    John 8:58 with Greek
    πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί <--> prior Abraham becoming thus, I am (he).
    It was about Abraham still being alive, and seeing his day and being happy about it.

    John 20:28b with Greek
    ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου <--> My lord and My God (with 3rd person plural missing)
    Kai and mou seperate both parts of the would be subject or start of the sentence.

    English translations are not proof of anything because they are sloppy. It needs to improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    John 1:1c with Greek


    YHWH is the word that is the god; not Yeshua.
    John 1:14a with Greek[/QUOTE]




    Not the same logos.
    Yes, the exact same Logos.

    John 8:58 with Greek



    It was about Abraham still being alive, and seeing his day and being happy about it.
    I like how you read all of that into the verse, where it says nothing of the sort.

    John 20:28b with Greek
    Kai and mou seperate both parts of the would be subject or start of the sentence.


    Seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was the Lord of him and the God of him.

    See, there's a funny thing about the greek language. When the Greeks talk about gods, they rarely (if ever) put a definite article in front of "theos," because they're polytheistic, and defining one of their gods as "the god" would elevate one as "the god." But when talking about the one true God of the Bible, except for a few exceptions where the grammar requires differently, God is written as "the God," or "ho theos."

    For example, "TO AN UNKNOWN GOD," or "AGNOSTO THEO," is the inscription Paul mentions in Acts 17:23. Not "AGNOSTO HO THEO," because that would imply "the" God. When there's no definite article in front of a noun in Greek, it's like putting "a" or "an" in front of a noun in English. Paul, in verse 24, calls this "unknown god" of the Greeks "The God" in the very next verse. If this distinction was not here in the Bible, between the way the greek pagans spoke greek and the way believers in Christ spoke Greek, defining "ho theos" instead of just "theos," it would be very difficult to determine which "god" or "God" is being talked about.

    English translations are not proof of anything because they are sloppy. It needs to improve.
    The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.
    John 1:14a with Greek
    They aren't sloppy. The idenifite articular construct is older than the english definite articular constructs.

    Yes, the exact same Logos.
    "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." This logos not the logos of the hebrew name YHWH.

    Anything else would be idolatry.

    See, there's a funny thing about the greek language. When the Greeks talk about gods, they rarely (if ever) put a definite article in front of "theos," because they're polytheistic, and defining one of their gods as "the god" would elevate one as "the god." But when talking about the one true God of the Bible, except for a few exceptions where the grammar requires differently, God is written as "the God," or "ho theos."
    They rarely do that because they are talking about a specific god. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

    For example, "TO AN UNKNOWN GOD," or "AGNOSTO THEO," is the inscription Paul mentions in Acts 17:23. Not "AGNOSTO HO THEO," because that would imply "the" God. When there's no definite article in front of a noun in Greek, it's like putting "a" or "an" in front of a noun in English. Paul, in verse 24, calls this "unknown god" of the Greeks "The God" in the very next verse. If this distinction was not here in the Bible, between the way the greek pagans spoke greek and the way believers in Christ spoke Greek, defining "ho theos" instead of just "theos," it would be very difficult to determine which "god" or "God" is being talked about.
    "To the unnoticed one the god". Even your example is unconvincing.

    Seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was the Lord of him and the God of him.
    Seems to me you don't know what the nominative case is.

    The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.
    You need to consider that you are an idolator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    They aren't sloppy. The idenifite articular construct is older than the english definite articular constructs.

    "But as many as received him,
    Who is Him?

    The Light. God.

    What does John 1:1 say?

    "And God was the Word." That's literally what it says.



    So therefore "the Word" = "God" = "the Light" = "Him".

    Who is the first chapter of John talking about?

    The Word, The Light, Jesus Christ.

    God.

    to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." This logos not the logos of the hebrew name YHWH.
    The passage is not talking about a "word." The passage is talking about the "Word."

    Anything else would be idolatry.
    Just so we're on the same page, Trinitarians believe the Word (logos) in John 1:1 is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God. Not "a" word. "The" Word.

    They rarely do that because they are talking about a specific god. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
    Let's stay away from fallacious arguments, like the argument from incredulity.

    "To the unnoticed one the god". Even your example is unconvincing.
    I'm giving you the literal translation of "AGNOSTO THEO." Why are you trying to say it doesn't say what it says?

    AGNOSTO THEO" literally translated means "unknown god," which in English translates to "to an unknown god." There's no definite article there. Please stop adding to scripture.

    Seems to me you don't know what the nominative case is.


    Perhaps you should just look at the image I am providing. Koine Greek was the language the New Testament was originally written in, no?

    So then why can't you accept what it literally says?

    You need to consider that you are an idolator.
    How about instead of making baseless accusations, you provide an argument for your case.

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