The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father.
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Last edited by Sherman; July 27th, 2017 at 10:01 AM.
The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father.
We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
They already know monsters exist.
We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.
Lon (November 5th, 2017)
Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?
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dodge (August 22nd, 2017)
John 1:14a with Greek[/QUOTE]YHWH is the word that is the god; not Yeshua.
Yes, the exact same Logos.Not the same logos.
John 8:58 with Greek
I like how you read all of that into the verse, where it says nothing of the sort.It was about Abraham still being alive, and seeing his day and being happy about it.
John 20:28b with Greek
Kai and mou seperate both parts of the would be subject or start of the sentence.
Seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was the Lord of him and the God of him.
See, there's a funny thing about the greek language. When the Greeks talk about gods, they rarely (if ever) put a definite article in front of "theos," because they're polytheistic, and defining one of their gods as "the god" would elevate one as "the god." But when talking about the one true God of the Bible, except for a few exceptions where the grammar requires differently, God is written as "the God," or "ho theos."
For example, "TO AN UNKNOWN GOD," or "AGNOSTO THEO," is the inscription Paul mentions in Acts 17:23. Not "AGNOSTO HO THEO," because that would imply "the" God. When there's no definite article in front of a noun in Greek, it's like putting "a" or "an" in front of a noun in English. Paul, in verse 24, calls this "unknown god" of the Greeks "The God" in the very next verse. If this distinction was not here in the Bible, between the way the greek pagans spoke greek and the way believers in Christ spoke Greek, defining "ho theos" instead of just "theos," it would be very difficult to determine which "god" or "God" is being talked about.
The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.English translations are not proof of anything because they are sloppy. It needs to improve.
Who is Him?
The Light. God.
What does John 1:1 say?
"And God was the Word." That's literally what it says.
So therefore "the Word" = "God" = "the Light" = "Him".
Who is the first chapter of John talking about?
The Word, The Light, Jesus Christ.
God.
The passage is not talking about a "word." The passage is talking about the "Word."to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." This logos not the logos of the hebrew name YHWH.
Just so we're on the same page, Trinitarians believe the Word (logos) in John 1:1 is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God. Not "a" word. "The" Word.Anything else would be idolatry.
Let's stay away from fallacious arguments, like the argument from incredulity.They rarely do that because they are talking about a specific god. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
I'm giving you the literal translation of "AGNOSTO THEO." Why are you trying to say it doesn't say what it says?"To the unnoticed one the god". Even your example is unconvincing.
AGNOSTO THEO" literally translated means "unknown god," which in English translates to "to an unknown god." There's no definite article there. Please stop adding to scripture.
Seems to me you don't know what the nominative case is.
Perhaps you should just look at the image I am providing. Koine Greek was the language the New Testament was originally written in, no?
So then why can't you accept what it literally says?
How about instead of making baseless accusations, you provide an argument for your case.You need to consider that you are an idolator.
Eagles Wings (September 20th, 2017),Right Divider (January 24th, 2019)
The word “Trinity” is found nowhere in the Bible.
It is a word that describes theology.
First came Jesus and next came men’s theology that sought to develop a meaning that was overlaid on Jesus’ words amd deeds.
Plus, the idea of a Trinity negates the foundational Jewish idea of monotheism.
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...terrorism is the war of the poor and war is the terrorism of the rich...
(STILL trying to set up conservatives and fundamentalists on blind dates with Jesus...)
Straw man. No one here claims that that's our position except those who reject the triunity of God. Please try a rebuttal against our actual argument.
And?It is a word that describes theology.
So therefore.... something.First came Jesus and next came men’s theology that sought to develop a meaning that was overlaid on Jesus’ words and deeds.
Please explain how.Plus, the idea of a Trinity negates the foundational Jewish idea of monotheism.
Right Divider (January 24th, 2019)
"Please try a rebuttal against our actual argument.”
The Bible calls God an old woman giving birth, a storm cloud, a mountain, a potter, an eagle.
Everyone uses metaphoric language when describing the holy or the sacred.
So nothing is preventing you from believing that “the Trinity” describes God.
The theology of the Trinity indicates God is some sort of divine trio. Not the One God that Judaism believes in.
And again, the word Trinity is not found anywhere in the Bible.
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...terrorism is the war of the poor and war is the terrorism of the rich...
(STILL trying to set up conservatives and fundamentalists on blind dates with Jesus...)
JudgeRightly (January 24th, 2019),Right Divider (January 24th, 2019)
JudgeRightly (January 26th, 2019)
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...terrorism is the war of the poor and war is the terrorism of the rich...
(STILL trying to set up conservatives and fundamentalists on blind dates with Jesus...)
Noted.
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...terrorism is the war of the poor and war is the terrorism of the rich...
(STILL trying to set up conservatives and fundamentalists on blind dates with Jesus...)
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