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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Ask him about his support fro the communist (atheist) founded ACLU sometime.
    I think this country is a great idea, even if it was founded in part by slave owners who made women second class citizens.

    That's how it works, sometimes. Men have ideas that are bigger and better than they are.

    While you're at it, ask him how he feels about the Obergefell v Hodges SCOTUS ruling.
    Legally unavoidable, morally objectionable. Next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    In this important post, TH sums up the attack upon American values and culture as well as our history with the following:



    My vote for POTY too btw. It is incredibly important regarding our nation and what it will be with the changing landscape. We must stop selfish people from attacking our families, values, history, faith, and heritage. -Lon
    i'm gonna disagree, lon

    (and as much as town will think it's about him, it isn't about him)

    i'm gonna argue that having the ten commandments on display in front of any of our corrupt, evil government buildings is blasphemous

    and i'll tell you why:



    1. In a nation encouraging mooslims to come here?
    2. Graven images abound. Including ten commandments monuments.
    3. I don’t believe you even get disciplined or admonished in a courtroom for breaking this one
    4. Does our government honor this one?
    5. In a country that takes away parental right and responsibility with the pullik skool system?
    6. Legalized abortion?
    7. Not even against the law.
    8. Tax freedom day was April 24, 2015
    9. I don’t think anybody really cares about this one anymore either
    10. Are you kidding? Coveting drives our economy.

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Ask him about his support fro the communist (atheist) founded ACLU sometime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I think this country is a great idea, even if it was founded in part by slave owners who made women second class citizens.
    This coming from a guy who voted for a Barack Hussein Obama, who is the most pro abortion President in US History. You are aware that a high percent of those babies that are aborted yearly are black aren't you?

    Regarding women being 2nd class citizens: Staying home and doing the invaluable job of raising a family while their husband works is far from being "2nd class".

    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
    While you're at it, ask him how he feels about the Obergefell v Hodges SCOTUS ruling.

    Legally unavoidable, morally objectionable.
    Funny how you didn't "morally object" to it when it was a hot topic of debate here on TOL.

    Next?
    You failed to talk about your support of the communist (atheist) ACLU. You remember that organization, they defended NAMBLA when the parents of Jeffrey Curley, a 10 year old boy who was brutally murdered by two homosexuals, sued the pedophile organization.

    Plea from Barbara Curley, Mother of Jeffrey Curley, to help her lawsuit against NAMBLA and the ACLU
    http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/ot...urleyintro.htm



    We could also talk about how the ACLU is a huge supporter of Planned Parenthood as well as the removal of anything Christian related from the public if you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post

    i'm gonna argue that having the ten commandments on display in front of any of our corrupt, evil government buildings is blasphemous

    and i'll tell you why:



    1. In a nation encouraging mooslims to come here?
    Being that the vast majority of people in our nation call themselves "Christian" (even though a small percent are actual followers of Christ), who do you think comes to mind when a Christian reads:

    "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Nowhere did I say that acknowledging the wisdom of the 10 Commandments automatically gives someone a ticket to Heaven.
    I didn't say you did. I referred to what you said some time back -- that you saw no need to share the Gospel with Mormons because, as conservatives who fear "God," they're already right with "Him."

    That being said: Many of our criminal statutes are based on the 10 Commandments:
    Never argued it. But that in no way made this the "Christian nation" modern mythology makes it out to be.

    *Oh and by the way: Just because you don't murder someone doesn't mean that you'll go to Heaven.
    I never said otherwise. I always thought you'd be enjoyable to talk with if you didn't lie about what people said.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Nowhere did I say that acknowledging the wisdom of the 10 Commandments automatically gives someone a ticket to Heaven.

    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    I didn't say you did. I referred to what you said some time back -- that you saw no need to share the Gospel with Mormons because, as conservatives who fear "God," they're already right with "Him."
    I'll make you a deal: You share the gospel with your good friend GFR7/patrick jane, and the next time Mormons come to my door I'll share it with them. Of course the only gospel that exists is the gospel according to musterion, so I'll need your version before doing so.


    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
    That being said: Many of our criminal statutes are based on the 10 Commandments:

    Never argued it. But that in no way made this the "Christian nation" modern mythology makes it out to be.
    Your ignorance of US history is duly noted.


    Quote:
    *Oh and by the way: Just because you don't murder someone doesn't mean that you'll go to Heaven.

    I never said otherwise. It'd be nice if you could hold rational discussions without lying about what people said.
    I can picture you now: index finger just waiting to hit that "Ban him!" button.

    As always musterion, it's been an experience chatting with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    GFR7/patrick jane
    Not the same guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    This coming from a guy who voted for
    So this really isn't about the post but about your ongoing larger nonsense. I mostly figured that was the case. I voted for Obama the first time and against the second. I didn't vote on the issue that Roe settled and that won't be undone until we reach a critical mass that will allow for a Constitutional convention and amendment.

    If I voted on the abortion stand that wouldn't be changed by either party I couldn't have voted for either party on any other issue, since both parties put forward candidates who believed in abortion but simply differed on who was allowed to have one.


    Regarding women being 2nd class citizens: Staying home and doing the invaluable job of raising a family while their husband works is far from being "2nd class".
    The second class citizenship I spoke to was in play when those founders who allowed slavery also failed to enfranchise women as voters, among other lesser status indicators. It had nothing to do with dishonoring an honorable pursuit as a homemaker. If a woman wants that it's a great thing. It shouldn't, however, be her only option. She should be able to vote and own property, to seek employment and to not marry at all if that's her desire. Our founders didn't allow that. It took a considerable effort and a great deal of time for women to win rough equality before the law and in right.


    Funny how you didn't "morally object" to it when it was a hot topic of debate here on TOL.
    I not only did, I did so almost every time I spoke to the subject and every time I was asked about it.

    You failed to talk about your support of the communist (atheist) ACLU.
    You're continuing to be untruthful or you have a horrible memory. What I've said, plainly, is that the ACLU does important work. I'm not a member. I don't contribute to them financially and I don't always agree with them, but they've defended Christians gathering in schools and veterans who wanted to fly a flag against a cooperative effort by some to deny it.

    You remember that organization, they defended NAMBLA when the parents of Jeffrey Curley, a 10 year old boy who was brutally murdered by two homosexuals, sued the pedophile organization.
    No, but I don't follow that movement. I'd object to it given the aim of that organization is predicated on advocating an illegal activity.

    Are you literally going to trot out every one of your pet projects? I don't frequent your threads because I've answered you on your complaints and you just keep making the same ones. Ah, well.

    We could also talk about how the ACLU is a huge supporter of Planned Parenthood as well as the removal of anything Christian related from the public if you wish.
    You can talk about anything you like. Start a thread. This isn't that one.

    You've had more than your conduct here warrants from me.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    This coming from a guy who voted for Barack Hussein Obama...

    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So this really isn't about the post but about your ongoing larger nonsense. I mostly figured that was the case...
    I was responding to your typical left wing rant about the Founding Fathers being racist. You are aware that they are responsible for many of the Christian monuments that you claim you defend?

    Edit: In God We Trust: America’s Historic Sites Reveal Her Christian Foundations
    http://providencefoundation.com/?page_id=1962


    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
    Regarding women being 2nd class citizens: Staying home and doing the invaluable job of raising a family while their husband works is far from being "2nd class".

    The second class citizenship I spoke to was in play when those founders who allowed slavery also failed to enfranchise women as voters, among other lesser status indicators...
    As mentioned, they had more important things to do (raising a family). Regarding women voting in this day and age:

    As I mentioned to Art Brain in another thread: You'd think that those women would use their vote to protect the unborn.


    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
    Funny how you didn't "morally object" to it [homosexual 'marriage'] when it was a hot topic of debate here on TOL.

    I not only did, I did so almost every time I spoke to the subject and every time I was asked about it.
    It just so happens that I have a copy of a debate that you had with a TOL'er that goes by the name of "Huckleberry" back on June 2 of 2013. The thread has been deleted, but I copied it word for word.

    Originally Posted by Huckleberry

    There's much more to being male/female that a collection of behavioral characteristics that themselves are too complex even to be quantified.
    Furthermore, I'll plainly call the characterization of gender itself as irrelevant and interchangeable nothing short of evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Then all that reduces to is that you believe in a Biblical model and that this model should be the model used for a secular compact. And the next guy, with a different religious view might feel that you shouldn't be allowed to marry across races and that this view should control.


    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry
    Can two parents of the same gender raise a child adequately?

    I've seen studies going both ways. But seriously, I have. And that presumes that children are a necessary part of what they clearly aren't. It's another issue. The elderly, the infertile and even those who just don't want kids can file by the magistrate and get hitched.


    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    But if you're arguing for gay marriage by asserting gender is meaningless and irrelevant, and all that to establish there are no arguments against gay marriage that are not religious.


    Relevant but immaterial to the contract. That is, it's relevance is established by the current debate, but it isn't or shouldn't be an impediment to contracting for marriage because outside of the purely religious the only thing you end up saying is, "But he isn't a she" or vice versa, which isn't an argument, though it is a neat enough circle.


    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    As for the question of non-religious arguments against gay marriage...there are a million non-religious arguments against gay marriage. Five minutes on Google will turn up twenty of them. Why are we pretending otherwise?

    There are probably as many against race mixing. Doesn't make them good or compelling enough to overwhelm equality in right before the law.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    1. It Is Not Marriage

    Sounds circular already. It isn't a contract until it is.


    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    2. It Violates Natural Law

    So does penicillin. Next.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother

    Marriage isn't about children. Having children is about having children and you don't have to be married to do that any more than you have to have them if you are. Next.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle

    Sounds like a moral presumption resting upon a moral presumption. You could say not denying people of varying races to marry encourages it, but mostly it just doesn't deny them a right without sufficient reason to.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right

    A purely religious turn in a compact that doesn't cede that authority. Next.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union

    As noted above and prior, we don't have any trouble with sterile, elderly or indifferent people entering into a union which won't or can't produce children. And so they don't reap the additional benefits that actually do have to do with procreation. Next.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage


    Nope. The state has more than one interest, which is why we allow those marriages I only just noted. And gay people could produce children, through artificial insemination for women or by adoption for men or women.


    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society


    What's the imposition again? Being outraged? Because I'm fairly sure that outrage is also felt by people being denied a right without sufficient reason. So racists will have to be uncomfortable with mixed race marriages. Those who see marriage as a purely religious function will have to live with knowing atheists and agnostics are forgoing churches for the aforereferenced magistrate, etc. Just as the Amish have to suck it up and deal with weapons being made from their taxes.


    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution


    That's not even an argument, but assuming a domino doesn't always pan out. For instance, the sexual revolution and subsequent moral laxity and removal of purely religiously motivated law from the books hasn't helped the pedophile, who finds greater, not lesser protection in law for children.
    Quote: Originally posted by Huckleberry

    10. It Offends God

    Secular compact, not ruled by Islamic principle. Or did you mean Christian? Same answer.
    On that note: Lon threw you a nice party and all of your friends came to wish you well. Any further conversation on my part and I might be seen as a party pooper (and no one likes a party pooper do they Town Heretic?).

    Have a nice day
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Ask him about his support fro the communist (atheist) founded ACLU sometime. While you're at it, ask him how he feels about the Obergefell v Hodges SCOTUS ruling.
    On the 1st I understand Townie's position to be if you want to have freedom to believe and worship according to your own faith then you MUST allow others the same freedom

    If the 2nd is the evolution court ruling from the 50s I also agree with him.

    It was the church's fault for taking it to court, THAT was a monumental mistake for which the church has been paying the price ever since.

    The church could have won their battles by spiritual warfare. God has given the church all means necessary...but the church is in too backslidden a condition.
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    Quote:
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    Ask him about his support fro the communist (atheist) founded ACLU sometime. While you're at it, ask him how he feels about the Obergefell v Hodges SCOTUS ruling.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    On the 1st I understand Townie's position to be if you want to have freedom to believe and worship according to your own faith then you MUST allow others the same freedom
    Wouldn't that be nice if the ACLU felt that way towards Christianity?

    (The www isn't large enough to post all of the anti Christian lawsuits the ACLU has filed).

    If the 2nd is the evolution court ruling from the 50s I also agree with him.
    Obergefell v Hodges was the recent SCOTUS ruling that allows sexual deviants to mock God's institution of marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Ask him about his support fro the communist (atheist) founded ACLU sometime. While you're at it, ask him how he feels about the Obergefell v Hodges SCOTUS ruling.




    Wouldn't that be nice if the ACLU felt that way towards Christianity?

    (The www isn't large enough to post all of the anti Christian lawsuits the ACLU has filed).



    Obergefell v Hodges was the recent SCOTUS ruling that allows sexual deviants to mock God's institution of marriage.
    A GREAT mistake Americans make...they fight the devil by natural means. Using the law...and the law always sides against them.

    These various movements thrive because the church is many in numbers, but pitifully weak in spiritual power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So this really isn't about the post but about your ongoing larger nonsense.
    You're continuing to be untruthful or you have a horrible memory.


    No, but I don't follow that movement.

    Are you literally going to trot out every one of your pet projects? I don't frequent your threads because I've answered you on your complaints and you just keep making the same ones. Ah, well.


    You can talk about anything you like. Start a thread. This isn't that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Ask him about his support fro the communist (atheist) founded ACLU sometime. While you're at it, ask him how he feels about the Obergefell v Hodges SCOTUS ruling.




    Wouldn't that be nice if the ACLU felt that way towards Christianity?

    (The www isn't large enough to post all of the anti Christian lawsuits the ACLU has filed).



    Obergefell v Hodges was the recent SCOTUS ruling that allows sexual deviants to mock God's institution of marriage.

    This is like the 3rd time you've posted the same nonsense. Are you unstable ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    A GREAT mistake Americans make...they fight the devil by natural means. Using the law...and the law always sides against them.

    These various movements thrive because the church is many in numbers, but pitifully weak in spiritual power.
    I believe you were thinking of the famous "Scopes Monkey Trial".

    The "Monkey Trial": An ACLU Effort for Godlessness
    http://www.creationmoments.com/conte...rt-godlessness

    Regarding "the law" (i.e. civil law). God created it along with the Church and Family for the governance of man. As seen in one of my favorite articles, because people of faith neglect to get involved in the political scene, we're at the state of moral decay that we're currently in.

    Civil Government: The Neglected Ministry
    http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...government.htm
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