wouldn't that be the most important part of our theology
if
we believed
that
we alone determined our ultimate fate?
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wouldn't that be the most important part of our theology
if
we believed
that
we alone determined our ultimate fate?
TIPlatypus
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No, I do not believe that it is we alone who determine our ultimate fate. We have the choice to follow Jesus or not, but whether we do depends on many things.
you just contradicted yourself in that sentence
it is either a choice
or
it depends on many things
TIPlatypus
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A major factor in whether or not we follow Jesus or not is our free will, but it is not the only one. Have I explained myself better?
no
you have to explain why we can't be sure of our ultimate fate
if
we choose to follow Jesus
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By definition, then, you belong to a denomination. Just one that claims it is not one. :AMR:
In short, a distinction without a difference.
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I grew up in Baptist churches. From the time I was 5 to 13, the church I attended (Baptist) was a "bow your head and repeat after me" easy believism church patterned after FBC, Hammond, IN (Hyles). When I was 13, I started attending another Baptist Church that taught the Doctrines of Grace (Elect). I attended there until I was 25. I got married there and started our family. At, 25, we left and started attending a Bible Baptist Church. We are still attending that church. We've been there 17 years now.
freelight
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Baptist bandwidth........
Baptist bandwidth........
Seems to be a wide spectrum within Baptist communities, from 'conservative' to more 'liberal', some with 'calvinistic' or 'pentecostal' leanings as well. Would that be a correct observation?
pj
Baptist bandwidth........
Seems to be a wide spectrum within Baptist communities, from 'conservative' to more 'liberal', some with 'calvinistic' or 'pentecostal' leanings as well. Would that be a correct observation?
pj
That would be a fair observation.
freelight
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A 'program' may be no better than not having one.....
A 'program' may be no better than not having one.....
'Denominations' might be significant to show distinction or specialness in doctrine, theology, community-ethics and culture, but what else is a 'denomination' good for, beyond communicating or expressing that? A 'denomination' is a 'denomination',...however we define such or what value such has is a matter of our own assumptions, personal belief-system and preferred community.
As we've covered here previously, a 'program' is about the same, being a 'denomination' or 'system' of sorts, running along its own course, rituals, rites, tenets of faith, meeting-patterns, etc. Many different 'programs' operate within a religious system, of one kind or another. Who determines which is better or more valuable, depends on the believer adhering to any one of those programs or traditions. Its based on subjective experience on a 'faith' level, and so many objectives outwardly.
On that note, I don't see how any claim to belong to any given 'denomination' is better than an adherence to no particular 'denomination'. The universal reality of 'God' is prior to all these denonimations anyways,...there branching out from universal consciousness so many different conceptual frames or methods of religious practice that we see around the globe. This diversity is self-evident. 'God' is the reality behind all these images and concepts, however we 'denominate' this or that.
'Programs' are created after the fact of 'God', by the evolution of intellect and in some cases revelation of spirit, or a combination thereof.
pj
A 'program' may be no better than not having one.....
'Denominations' might be significant to show distinction or specialness in doctrine, theology, community-ethics and culture, but what else is a 'denomination' good for, beyond communicating or expressing that? A 'denomination' is a 'denomination',...however we define such or what value such has is a matter of our own assumptions, personal belief-system and preferred community.
As we've covered here previously, a 'program' is about the same, being a 'denomination' or 'system' of sorts, running along its own course, rituals, rites, tenets of faith, meeting-patterns, etc. Many different 'programs' operate within a religious system, of one kind or another. Who determines which is better or more valuable, depends on the believer adhering to any one of those programs or traditions. Its based on subjective experience on a 'faith' level, and so many objectives outwardly.
On that note, I don't see how any claim to belong to any given 'denomination' is better than an adherence to no particular 'denomination'. The universal reality of 'God' is prior to all these denonimations anyways,...there branching out from universal consciousness so many different conceptual frames or methods of religious practice that we see around the globe. This diversity is self-evident. 'God' is the reality behind all these images and concepts, however we 'denominate' this or that.
'Programs' are created after the fact of 'God', by the evolution of intellect and in some cases revelation of spirit, or a combination thereof.
pj
when reading a post that is not really clear
it helps to know where someone is coming from
and
we all know where you are coming from
on one hand we have this
and
on the other hand we have that
and
sometimes don't you wish you had more hands?
republicanchick
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you are one confused person
but that's what happens when you are cut off from Christ's true Church
republicanchick
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republicanchick
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wow, that's a lot...
these people believe that God made certain people for Hell?? and some for Heaven?
but hey, u know.. maybe there is truth to that.. God made us ALL for Hell
unless we accept Christ
and only those who accept Him (and his teachings) will enter Heaven....
still, it just doesn't sound good the way they put it. and it is not good
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republicanchick
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if u believed in Jesus, objectively speaking, you would be interested in Catholicism
and once u learned about it you would convert
but hey, I realize Catholicism is difficult... most people don't like difficiult
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Dig deeper to disabuse yourself of your odd views of those you decy.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41620
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63586
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It is time for a checklist on Millennialists.
STP
St john w
Totton Linnet
Godrulz
Tams of the bora
Steko
Musterion
Grosnik?
There are a fair few more, most MADianites are chiliasts, we believe when the Lord returns He comes to reign for a 1,000 years
The Millennium is synonymous with the Kingdom of God.
STP
St john w
Totton Linnet
Godrulz
Tams of the bora
Steko
Musterion
Grosnik?
There are a fair few more, most MADianites are chiliasts, we believe when the Lord returns He comes to reign for a 1,000 years
The Millennium is synonymous with the Kingdom of God.
freelight
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Heart & Soul......
Heart & Soul......
I come from the view of Awareness itself,...there is nothing more 'clear'
I Am Awareness (free of labels).
I Am.
It matters not if I have 2,6, 24, or 1,000 hands, they would all be extensions of consciousness....in various forms.
When Jesus returns is he looking for your 'denomination'?
Does not God look at the heart, and know the innermost soul, is it not there that the Spirit searches?
God considers heart and soul.
God is 'heart' and 'soul'.
pj
Heart & Soul......
I come from the view of Awareness itself,...there is nothing more 'clear'
I Am Awareness (free of labels).
I Am.
It matters not if I have 2,6, 24, or 1,000 hands, they would all be extensions of consciousness....in various forms.
When Jesus returns is he looking for your 'denomination'?
Does not God look at the heart, and know the innermost soul, is it not there that the Spirit searches?
God considers heart and soul.
God is 'heart' and 'soul'.
pj
They do not believe that. They believe the Bible. His reign is not 1000 years, the Saints ruling with him is 1000 years. His kingdom will have no end.
the answers to your questions are no and yes
now does that improve our understanding of each other?
not much
it may be awhile before Jesus returns
and
while we are waiting
let's try to improve our understanding of God by exchanging beliefs
knowing ones denomination saves a lot of time
because
we don't have to start from the very beginning each time we have a dialogue
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