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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    my two sons have disabilities, one nephew took his life to end the pain of struggling with his and another nephew is on the spectrum and will never be able to live independently.

    Additionally, one of my teaching certifications is Special Ed, so i was trained in that and worked in the field occasionally

    i would not hesitate to use the word "retarded" when describing one of my students with what NYS now refers to as "developmentally delayed", either in discussing his case professionally with educational coworkers or parents

    i also would not hesitate to stop other children from using "retarded" disparagingly or in a mean-spirited manner, when referring to a fellow student who was developmentally delayed

    but i wouldn't stop them from referring to idiots on twitter for example, or in congress, as "retards", in the belief that using it that way was denigrating to those who actually are developmentally delayed

    not any more than i'd stop a student from saying "Governor Cuomo is morally crippled" in the belief that using that term in that manner would be hurtful to those who have musculo-skeletal disabilities

    or stopping someone from referring to governor cuomo as a "psycho" or a "head case" because those terms might possibly be hurtful to someone who truly is struggling with psychoses or other mental disorders
    I remember after being told my son was retarded, one of the schools he went to tried to change it to 'developmentally delayed'. I asked them if they thought he was going to 'catch up'. hahaha I mean they said he was 'delayed', right?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    They lack the wit? Are you saying they are retarded?
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Nope.
    Then you don't know enough about the word 'wit' and 'retarded'.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Then you don't know enough about the word 'wit' and 'retarded'.
    Oh, do share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Oh, do share.
    Just type in the search bar 'definition of wit'. It will tell you that it is about intelligence, mental sharpness, common sense, understanding, etc.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Just type in the search bar 'definition of wit'. It will tell you that it is about intelligence, mental sharpness, common sense, understanding, etc.
    And some have that more in abundance than others. It doesn't make the trolls "retarded" does it? It just means they can't come up with anything besides calling others retards. Ironic, sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    And some have that more in abundance than others. It doesn't make the trolls "retarded" does it? It just means they can't come up with anything besides calling others retards. Ironic, sure.
    Yeah, you think you are real inventive about insulting people, and for that you are proud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Yeah, you think you are real inventive about insulting people, and for that you are proud?
    Neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Neither.
    I don't believe you. Well, it's been real nice discussing with some of you. Bye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I don't believe you. Well, it's been real nice discussing with some of you. Bye.
    Eh, your prerogative. Take it easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I remember after being told my son was retarded, one of the schools he went to tried to change it to 'developmentally delayed'. I asked them if they thought he was going to 'catch up'. hahaha I mean they said he was 'delayed', right?

    yeah, i don't the new term either, for the same reason - as someone with a STEM background, i dislike the implied suggestion that developmentally, they're gonna get there eventually

    in NYS, it's the mandated term in education - in health care we use the more scientifically logical term "intellectual disability" or impairment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    I think that the word is a fine word, like how the variations of the -ubar word are all fine words. They convey meaning that other words do not and perhaps just cannot convey.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I do think I have earned the right to use the word 'retarded' if I so please. What gets me is people like TownHeretic trying to school me or anyone else on it.
    you two may be familiar with this, but i find it fascinating - people like town are arguing to control my language because it may be offensive to some undefined person somewhere, somewhen - but he thinks nothing of the use of the terms "moron", "idiot", "cretin" and "imbecile"

    Quote Originally Posted by wiki
    Up until around the 1960s, the terms "moron", "idiot", "cretin" and "imbecile" were all genuine terms to refer to people with mental intellectual disabilities and low intelligence. These words were discontinued in that form when concerns arose that they were offensive, with "retard" and "retarded" replacing them.[6] Since then, the terms "handicapped" (United States) and "disabled" (United Kingdom) have replaced "retard" and "retarded". In 2010, despite not typically being used in official context, "mental retardation" was still written in many of the United States' laws and documents, considered by many to be outdated. Barack Obama replaced the term with "intellectual disability" with the approval of Rosa's Law - which would require these laws and documents to phase out the terms with the "intellectual disability" term.[7]

    Today, despite possessing a similar history to the former medical words "moron", "idiot", "cretin" and "imbecile" (all considered acceptable terms to refer to a foolish or stupid person in the present day), "retard" and "retarded" remain controversial when used in this form, mainly due to the word having a more recent history as a medical term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    What gets me is people like TownHeretic trying to school me or anyone else on it.

    town is a leftist/liberal social justice warrior, always looking for a cause

    not sure if you followed the "redskins" thread - two of my favorite exchanges :

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4082436

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4089489

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    (people that artie disagrees with, but can't logically and rationally refute) lack the wit to (respond in manner that artie finds acceptable)
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    They lack the wit? Are you saying they are retarded?
    yes, of course - he's saying that they are idiots, morons, cretins, imbeciles

    he is being dismissive of what he perceives to be their lack of intelligence



    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Just type in the search bar 'definition of wit'. It will tell you that it is about intelligence, mental sharpness, common sense, understanding, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    And some have that more in abundance than others. It doesn't make (those posters with whom artie disagrees but can't refute logically or rationally) "retarded" does it?
    assuming the first, then yes, the second automatically applies, by definition

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    It just means they can't come up with anything besides calling others retards. Ironic, sure.
    as ironic as your inability to come up with anything more intelligent than "troll"
    Last edited by ok doser; February 5th, 2019 at 04:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Just type in the search bar 'definition of wit'. It will tell you that it is about intelligence, mental sharpness, common sense, understanding, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    And some have that more in abundance than others.
    and those that have it in greater abundance would be called "advanced"

    and those who have it in lesser abundance would be called "retarded"


    and those that are assumed to have it in normal abundance, but choose to make statements that indicate that they have it in lesser abundance are rightly called out for being retarded, or making retarded posts.

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