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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    As I told Anna in the other thread.....

    TOL is no different than the water cooler at the office. It's a place for people to talk. If someone loses their faith after talking with a fellow employee at the office water cooler I doubt the Deep Rock guy feels guilty about it.
    The difference is you perpetuate and actively promote "truth smacking" or, as I see it, "brow beating only to cease upon assimilation".

    Or, to put in terms others can understand: BELIEVE WHAT WE DO OR ELSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Belief in God.
    Well, that's awfully generic, isn't it? Some people think the spirit of God inhabits nature, wildlife, trees, plants, etc. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if they were to lose their faith in that drivel. Or "everyone is a little god". Or "all paths lead to Heaven". Ditto for all the other wacko viewpoints on TOL.

    Yes, it does sound heartless. It sounds unChristian.
    Let's try an analogy. I don't know your political persuasions, but would you care if someone switched from being against your viewpoints? Probably not. There is a parallel here with Knight not caring about someone dropping a erroneous belief.

    He does believe in OSAS, but many Christians don't. For them, a loss of belief in God is by definition, eternally fatal.
    Again, losing something that was nothing to begin with--what's the loss?


    But Knight relies on the no true Scotsman fallacy by saying that if they lose faith, either they're still saved, or they weren't really a Christian anyway.
    The no true Scotsman fallacy does not apply to eternal souls. On this issue there is no wiggle room. You either are a "true Scotsman" or you're not.

    His indifference to their fate (if they're saved), in that context, is more understandable. But if they weren't really a Christian by his definition, then his attitude is callous and unChristian.
    I think you've got the logic reversed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mocking You View Post

    You see, if Knight believes in OSAS (and I think he does) then true believers cannot "lose their faith". That means from Knight's viewpoint other people "losing their faith" in whatever extra-Biblical, man-made doctrine is a good thing, doubly so if they come to believe in Jesus, and Jesus alone, for their salvation (which comes by grace through faith.)

    So from where I'm sitting Knight could have said "losing one's faith" was a good thing instead of merely saying it didn't bother him. He might have been diplomatic. But of course to you it sounds heartless .

    i was thinking something similar as i walked next door for more coffee - losing one's faith in a false Christ is a good thing

    and we seem to have no end of those on here - people who want to remake Christ according to their own imaginations

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    the problem with anna's question is that it is a compound one
    and
    because of that
    anna doesn't know
    if
    knight cares if someone loses their faith

    all she knows
    is
    that knight doesn't care if someone loses their faith because of the forum

    a valid distinction
    You have a point... to a point.

    However, Knight had the opportunity to make a distinction, and he didn't.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzal View Post
    The difference is you perpetuate and actively promote "truth smacking" or, as I see it, "brow beating only to cease upon assimilation".
    Lol.... if someone doesn't like TOL or me, they should find another forum to participate on. There are literally thousands to choose from.

    We have been around for almost 20 years now. Apparently some people like the TOL style so we don't plan on changing it any time soon.
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    Salvation through faith is God's responsibility, not anyone else's.

    We should encourage and exhort one another but each person is responsible for their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    However, Knight had the opportunity to make a distinction, and he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzal View Post
    The difference is you perpetuate and actively promote "truth smacking" or, as I see it, "brow beating only to cease upon assimilation".

    Or, to put in terms others can understand: BELIEVE WHAT WE DO OR ELSE.
    turn to Christ or suffer eternal damnation?


    but we have plenty so-called "Christians" here who don't even believe that

    and they're allowed to stay and post

    how about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    ... each person is responsible for their life.
    not according to liberals

    according to liberals it's always somebody else's fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    turn to Christ or suffer eternal damnation?


    but we have plenty so-called "Christians" here who don't even believe that

    and they're allowed to stay and post

    how about that?
    Damnation is not within your power.
    Rather, you are called to behave in Christian, that is to say, in Christlike Love for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Apparently some people like the TOL style so we don't plan on changing it any time soon.
    Yay!
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    They already know monsters exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    Damnation is not within your power.

    i can't imagine why you'd think i believe it is


    Rather, you are called to behave in Christian, that is to say, in Christlike Love for others.
    was Christ being loving when he said "go and sin no more"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    not according to liberals

    according to liberals it's always somebody else's fault
    I would append that to "some" or "almost all" liberals often place blame everywhere but on the perpetrator.
    This is a serious problem in America today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Lol.... if someone doesn't like TOL or me, they should find another forum to participate on. There are literally thousands to choose from.

    We have been around for almost 20 years now. Apparently some people like the TOL style so we don't plan on changing it any time soon.
    do you care
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    someone loses their faith?
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    was Christ being loving when he said "go and sin no more"?
    If every awful thing you've ever said (and don't get me wrong, I also think you're hilarious, but you do say really crappy things to people) was just an extrapolation from "go and sin no more" I will eat my hat.
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