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    Conversation with Knight about losing faith

    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Does it bother you if even one person loses his faith because of your forum?
    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    No.

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    This attitude is astounding to me. Does it reflect your views as a Christian as well? If I could post a poll, I would. I'm interested in what other Christians have to say, and why.

    It's an important topic to me, and your answers are important to me.


    Also, for those who fixate on my "Other" designation: this thread isn't about what I believe, it's about what you believe.
    So keep your candles burning

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    Doesn't surprise me at all. Shouldn't really surprise anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post

    This attitude is astounding to me.
    yet knight explained it in a way that even a simpleton could understand



    perhaps you should find a simpleton to explain it to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    yet knight explained it in a way that even a simpleton could understand



    perhaps you should find a simpleton to explain it to you
    I'm going to stifle myself here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    I'm going to stifle myself here....
    maybe you can explain Knight's response to anna in the Ask Knight thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    maybe you can explain Knight's response to anna in the Ask Knight thread
    Knight is fully capable of explaining himself should he choose to do so.

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    I don't think Knight as the owner of the forum can be held responsible for everything that goes on within it. The very purpose of the forum is to give people an opportunity to speak their own minds openly and freely. It is not a church and he is not the pastor of the church.

    I would only say that he and the moderators collectively are indeed responsible to ensure that content on the forum is not defamatory, abusive, racist, sexist, or inciteful of violence, etc. But beyond that each person who contributes is responsible for his own words.

    I can appreciate that you are concerned when someone loses his or her faith, as I am sure most of us are, including Knight, but that can't be related specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it. On the contrary, the existence of the forum is a good thing. Or at least, it has been up to now. And it has its ebbs and flows but if anyone no longer thinks it is a good thing then they are free to speak their mind. What will not work is if the purpose of the forum gets linked to pastoral care of its members. If there is to be any pastoral care, it must come from the members themselves, independent of the management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Reign View Post

    I can appreciate that you are concerned when someone loses his or her faith, as I am sure most of us are, including Knight
    That's the point of this thread, Desert Reign. He clearly doesn't care.

    but that can't be related specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it.
    I'm not relating it specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it.

    Leadership, yes.

    Example, yes.

    Christian witness on both an individual and a community level, yes.

    On the contrary, the existence of the forum is a good thing. Or at least,it has been up to now. And it has its ebbs and flows but if anyone no longer thinks it is a good thing then they are free to speak their mind. What will not work is if the purpose of the forum gets linked to pastoral care of its members. If there is to be any pastoral care, it must come from the members themselves, independent of the management.
    I'm asking the members.

    Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?

    If the actions or words of members of your faith community were a factor in someone losing his faith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Reign View Post
    ... the existence of the forum is a good thing. Or at least, it has been up to now...


    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?
    if someone's faith is threatened by an anonymous stranger on the internet, it's not much of a faith at all, is it?


    you're talking about faith in God, right?

    faith in the salvation that comes from accepting Christ as your Savior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    That's the point of this thread, Desert Reign. He clearly doesn't care.



    I'm not relating it specifically to the existence of the forum or his ownership of it.

    Leadership, yes.

    Example, yes.

    Christian witness on both an individual and a community level, yes.



    I'm asking the members.

    Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?
    *
    What Knight means is that if somebody's faith is firmly in Jesus nobody can shake it...and I think if it can be shaken it needs to be shaken to encourage them onto firmer ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
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    What Knight means is that if somebody's faith is firmly in Jesus nobody can shake it...and I think if it can be shaken it needs to be shaken to encourage them onto firmer ground.

    Knight doesn't care. Where are the Christians who care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Knight doesn't care. Where are the Christians who care?
    I think he does...what are you going to do on a forum to show you care? zoo has a platform where he can express himself freely, that's worth something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Knight doesn't care. Where are the Christians who care?
    Would you be able to speak about the things that have caused you to question your faith?
    Would you be able to listen to the responses you would get about those things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    I'm asking the members.

    Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?
    I would question if I was at fault but the mere fact of my words causing someone to lose their faith doesn't mean that I am to blame. When a person loses their faith it is usually associated with some external event, whether it is some accident or circumstance, some interaction with others or whatever. But that is just a truism - it has to be associated with something. It doesn't mean that that something is to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post

    I'm asking the members.

    Would it bother you if your actions or words were a factor in someone losing his faith?

    If the actions or words of members of your faith community were a factor in someone losing his faith?
    No. My words and/or actions can't be the root cause of a loss of faith. I just don't see how it's even an option. Everything is a factor.

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