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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post

    Bible students find the thought of people suffering in a fiery hell repulsive and unacceptable, God doesn't, no, not in the slightest. In point of fact; He's all for it. I know that's true because Christ said so.
    If you are going to claim that Christ said that God is all for people suffering in fiery hell, you are going to have to give a quote.

    Christ NEVER said "God is all for people suffering in a fiery hell".
    You are lying.

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    The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

    †. Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of Christ comes-- cruel; with both wrath and
    fierce anger

    The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is 'ebrah (eb-raw') which
    indicates an outburst of passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be
    weeping big wet crocodile tears while it's slamming the dead at the Great
    White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be terminated
    with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment will be administered with choler.
    (cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

    Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals
    that inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in
    attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen among roaring, snarling lions
    savagely attacking prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in
    ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

    "cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of
    humane feelings

    †. Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

    "fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It
    speaks of someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're
    actually red in the face.

    There are people out there in pews all around the world who have been so
    coddled by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the
    magnitude of the lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to
    get them.

    Another interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to
    administer it-- none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

    †. John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all
    judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the
    Father.

    †. Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with
    justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men
    by raising him from the dead.

    †. Rev 19:15 . . He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the
    winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    You know all those horrors depicted in the book of Revelation? Jesus Christ
    has been designated to supervise every one of them.

    †. Rev 1:1 . .The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his
    servants.

    Netherworld Update: 50 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 3,017,600 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    The wrath of God is interesting. For example:
    You like the doom and gloom don't you ? You love that Hell update. Netherworld sounds less harsh.

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    Weber, you quoted part of Hebrews 10:27 as if it agreed with you that people are going to hell everyday where they will be tortured alive forever.

    Hebrews 10:27 doesn't say that. Here is what Hebrews 10:27 says:
    "but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries" (ESV)

    Don't you see that the fire will "consume" the adversaries? They will not remain alive forever - Unconsumed - In Hell being tortured alive forever.

    It is sad that people perish without Christ, without hope of eternal life in Christ. But it isn't true that these people will go to hell to be tortured alive forever. They will not receive eternal life, so they cannot possibly have eternal life in hell being tortured alive forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timotheos View Post
    They will not receive eternal life, so they cannot possibly have eternal life in
    hell being tortured alive forever.
    Eternal life is not the same as immortality. For example: Christ had eternal
    life (John 5:26-27 and 1John 1:1-2) yet was easily put to death on the
    cross.

    Now as for receiving eternal life: note the grammatical tense of the "have"
    verb in the passages below. It's present tense rather than future; indicating
    that believers have eternal life right now-- no delay, and no waiting period.

    †. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

    †. John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

    †. John 6:54 . . Anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal
    life

    †. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message and trust in God
    who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
    but they have already passed from death into life.

    †. 1John 5:13 . . I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
    Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

    I should think that it goes without saying that christless people are in grave
    danger of the sum of all fears.

    †. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
    belong to Christ.

    According to God's testimony, as an expert witness in all matters pertaining
    to life and death, people lacking eternal life are also lacking His son; viz:
    they are quite christless.

    †. 1John 5:11-12 . .This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal
    life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and
    whosoever does not have this life, does not have His son.

    The reason that people lack eternal life in the here and now is very simple:
    they're unbelievers, and if something isn't done about it before they pass
    on; they will die unbelievers

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    The reason that people lack eternal life in the here and now is very simple they're unbelievers, and if something isn't done about it before they pass on; they will die unbelievers
    Why is that a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Why is that a problem?
    Jamie, you've been on this internet forum since 2010; and you still don't
    know? Please; if you're going to bore me, at least be clever about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timotheos View Post
    Weber, you quoted part of Hebrews 10:27 as if it agreed with you that people are going to hell everyday where they will be tortured alive forever.

    Hebrews 10:27 doesn't say that. Here is what Hebrews 10:27 says:
    "but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries" (ESV)

    Don't you see that the fire will "consume" the adversaries? They will not remain alive forever - Unconsumed - In Hell being tortured alive forever.

    It is sad that people perish without Christ, without hope of eternal life in Christ. But it isn't true that these people will go to hell to be tortured alive forever. They will not receive eternal life, so they cannot possibly have eternal life in hell being tortured alive forever.
    That's right Tim, but weber grill doesn't want to think that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    Jamie, you've been on this internet forum since 2010; and you still don't know?
    I never ask a question that I can't answer. People dying as unbelievers is not a problem at all. Unbelievers will have chance to receive Christ.

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    Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall,
    stealing through the dark of the night.
    Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
    checking to the left and the right.
    Picking up the pieces, putting them away;
    something doesn't feel quite right.

    Help me someone, let me out of here.
    Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
    Welcome to the Home by the Sea

    Coming out the woodwork, through the open door,
    pushing from above and below.
    Shadows with no substance, in the shape of men;
    round and down and sideways they go.
    Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
    then as one they sigh and they moan:

    Help us someone, let us out of here.
    Living here so long undisturbed,
    dreaming of the time we were free
    so many years ago
    before the time when we first heard:
    Welcome to the Home by the Sea

    Sit down . . Sit down
    As we relive our lives in what we tell you

    Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
    things that go to make up a life.
    Endless days of summer, longer nights of gloom
    waiting for the morning light.
    Scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
    things that go to make up a life.

    Sit down . . Sit down
    Cause you won't get away,
    no with us you will stay
    for the rest of your days.
    So sit down as we relive our lives in what we tell you.
    Let us relive our lives in what we tell you.

    Home By The Sea
    Genesis, 1983
    Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford

    The lyrics of that song are very discouraging because it depicts how the only
    thing people have to do down in the netherworld to help pass the time is tell
    each other about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell
    about their lives in hades since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non sequitur
    in that place. Nobody has a life down there; nor any hope of getting one.

    †. Ecc 9:10 . . Whatever your hand finds to do, verily, do it with all your
    might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in sheol
    where you are going.

    Netherworld Update: 53 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 3,198,656 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    Netherworld Update: 53 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 3,198,656 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
    Death and hades will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

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    Below is a very disturbing passage.

    †. 2Ths 2:11-12 . . And for this reason God will send them strong delusion,
    that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not
    believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    In other words; there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its
    reasonable limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure
    that a certain category of people have no chance whatsoever to be spared
    the wrath of God.

    Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked
    and poked fun at him like one of those deranged souls that go around with a
    sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain
    started, I bet those very same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to
    open up and let them in. But even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The
    hatch of the ark was sealed from the outside: and God was the only one on
    earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

    †. Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive
    forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

    †. Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds
    the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one
    can open.

    Netherworld Update: 56 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 3,379,712 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    The koinι Greek word for "hell" in Rev 20:13-14 is haides (hah'-dace) which
    doesn't eo ipso indicate a place of fiery suffering. It's primary meaning is the
    netherworld, where, at one time, every deceased person went regardless of
    their age and regardless of their goodness or their badness. Even Christ
    went there (Psalm 16:10 & Acts 2:23-32) and he was a good person.

    According to Luke 16:19-31, haides is (or was) divided into two sections:
    one for good people and one for bad people. The section designated for good
    people was (or is) quite pleasant. (Luke 23:43).

    The reason haides is slated for demolition is simply because there will be no
    need for it in the future. Its bad people will be transferred to the lake of fire,
    and its good people to a new cosmos and a new earth as per Isa 65:17, 2Pet
    3:10-13, and Rev 21:1.

    Netherworld Update: 59 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 3,379,712 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    According to Luke 16:19-31, haides is (or was) divided into two sections: one for good people and one for bad people.
    Not true. The grave and what it symbolizes is not divided.

    The separation of body and spirit is death. The body decays and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

    A person without a brain is brain dead.

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    A forgiven sinner is still a sinner and they'll go right on sinning same as
    before they were forgiven because human nature is intrinsically bad.

    †. Gen 6:5 . .Yhvh saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had
    become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
    all the time.

    †. Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from
    childhood.

    †. Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?
    Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil.

    †. Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    Netherworld Update: 62 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 3,741,854 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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