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    The Biblical heaven doesn't sound much fun either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecheese View Post
    The Biblical heaven doesn't sound much fun either!
    You won't have to worry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You won't have to worry about it
    No I won't because I am of the opinion that when I die I will cease to be like everyone else. There is not the slightest shred of evidence any deity or afterlife exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    every time you love someone they love you back
    Hit me and I'll hit you back. I love you Way2Go !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecheese View Post
    No I won't because I am of the opinion that when I die I will cease to be like everyone else. There is not the slightest shred of evidence any deity or afterlife exists.
    So let's keep dancing.

    Is That All There Is?

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    Fiction can be defined as stories about people and events that, though
    untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.

    Fantasy can be defined as stories about people and events that are not only
    untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.

    For example: a story about a boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while a story
    about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio and a
    boy with autism is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while the
    other is far removed from normal reality.

    I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
    be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable. Now; if he had told
    one that alleged the moon was made of green cheese; we would have good
    reason to believe that at least that one was fantasy; but none of them are
    like that. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction; but never
    fantasy because none of them are so far removed from normal reality that
    there is no possible chance of it ever being true.

    Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
    that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
    theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
    man; held in very high esteem by at least three of the world's prominent
    religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And he's also the friend of God
    (Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus Christ-- a man famous among
    normal Christians for his honesty and integrity --would say something
    untrue about a famous real-life man; especially about one of his Father's
    buddies.

    And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
    story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
    things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
    commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.

    There is something else to consider.

    The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
    it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro
    managed.

    †. John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words

    †. John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
    things which I have heard of Him.

    †. John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things
    as the Father taught me.

    †. John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

    †. John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
    sent me.

    So, by implying that Luke 16:19-31 is false, the parable theory insinuates
    that God is a person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the
    truth about people, not even about His own friends, which is ridiculous
    seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that God cannot lie.

    Netherworld Update: 37 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,233,024 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable.
    The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable about Israel and Gentiles. In this story Israel is the rich man and Lazarus symbolizes the Gentiles.

    In the story Abraham told the rich man that his five brothers had Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. (Luke 16:29 NKJV)

    Abraham's "bosom" is an oblique reference to God's kingdom.

    And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:29 NKJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all
    matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls
    haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

    †. Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching,
    and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there
    few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait
    gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

    †. Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
    broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
    small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
    it.

    †. Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.
    Yes, but everyone thinks they're the "chosen few", so the point of these quotes is pretty much always lost in the face of human ego. I bet even you think you're one of the "chosen few", don't you?

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    †. Luke 9:35 . . A voice came from the cloud, saying: This is my son, whom
    I have chosen; listen to him.

    The chosen son referred to in that verse isn't Solomon; it's Jesus Christ. So
    then, it was the voice's command that the three apostles who accompanied
    the son listen to him rather than listen to anybody else.

    Now, that's very important because Jesus Christ testified that people
    continue to exist after they die; while Solomon believed just the opposite.

    Solomon spoke of death; but there's no textual evidence in the book of
    Ecclesiastes indicating that he had ever seen beyond death for himself to
    know what he was talking about. In contrast, there is an abundance of
    textual evidence indicating that Jesus Christ not only spoke of death, but he
    had seen beyond death for himself to know what he was talking about. (e.g.
    John 3:13, John 3:31-32, John 6:33, John 6:38, and 1John 1:1-3) So in my
    estimation, Christ's eye-witness reports carry far more weight than
    Solomon's opinions.

    When people insist that we listen to Solomon instead of listening to Jesus
    Christ, they are insinuating that the voice in the cloud steered the apostles
    in the wrong direction. That's a terrible thing to insinuate seeing as how the
    speaker was God.

    †. 2Pet 1:17-18 . . For he received honor and glory from God the Father
    when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying: This is my Son,
    whom I love; with him I am well pleased. We ourselves heard this voice that
    came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

    Can you just imagine how insulted Jesus Christ's Father must feel when
    people choose Solomon over His son; especially when it's a matter of record
    that God wasn't well pleased with Solomon?

    You know, if I was going to interpret somebody's teachings about the
    afterlife as figurative language; it wouldn't be Jesus Christ's teachings; no, it
    would be somebody's else's in order to avoid insulting Christ's Father. Better
    to err on the safe side.

    Netherworld Update: 40 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,414,080 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    OBJECTION: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would
    torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

    RESPONSE: The objector's "sense" is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby
    organic tissue that can alter your personality with little more than an
    aneurism or a blow to the head. Just how sensible can a flabby organic
    sense really be compared to the sense of a divine being with enough
    intelligence to invent, design, and manufacture a fully functioning cosmos
    with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? Flabby organic senses aren't
    even a dunce in comparison: they're sub dunces; if even that.

    Netherworld Update: 43 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,595,136 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    Netherworld Update: 43 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,595,136 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.
    Hades refers to the grave, no fire there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    OBJECTION: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would
    torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

    RESPONSE: The objector's "sense" is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby
    organic tissue that can alter your personality with little more than an
    aneurism or a blow to the head. Just how sensible can a flabby organic
    sense really be compared to the sense of a divine being with enough
    intelligence to invent, design, and manufacture a fully functioning cosmos
    with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? Flabby organic senses aren't
    even a dunce in comparison: they're sub dunces; if even that.

    Netherworld Update: 43 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
    the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 2,595,136 new
    arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since October 30, 2015.

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    The "reasoning" that concludes that the Bible says that God will torture people alive in hell forever comes from a three pound lump of flabby unused organic tissue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    †. Rev 7:9 . . I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no
    one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing
    before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes
    and were holding palm branches in their hands.

    A very similar idiom is used in the book of Genesis where God instructed
    Abraham to: "look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able
    to count them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."

    The numbers I posted are not precise statistics; they're just rough hewn
    estimates meant to impress upon viewers that not only are people going to
    hell on a daily basis, but the amount of people going is a lot.

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    Hence the two ways. The wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction many go in thereat.
    The strait gate and the narrow way that leads to life and few there be that find it.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timotheos View Post
    The "reasoning" that concludes that the Bible says that God will torture people alive in hell forever comes from a three pound lump of flabby unused organic tissue.
    good one!

    If an infinite God created finite man and then let him be tricked by a Satan creature.....then torture the man for an eternity, that's not a good God no matter how much you want to polish that argument/turd.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    If an infinite God created finite man and then let him be tricked by a Satan
    creature.....then torture the man for an eternity, that's not a good God no
    matter how much you want to polish that argument/turd.
    Whether the Bible's God is good or bad is irrelevant because if He's actually
    in charge, then He's going to win regardless. For example: it's not only
    futile, but also dangerous for North Koreans to criticize Kim Jong-un; viz:
    good or bad, Kim has the upper hand and if he gets wind of someone's
    discontent with his management practices, they, and oftentimes their entire
    family, usually end up in one of North Korea's numerous political prisons.

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