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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I have brandplucked at like 37-0 at last check. (I'm a little behind) Yes, the KJV is a perfect Bible today. We are blessed to have all the scriptures exactly the way they are intended with no doctrinal errors. I open my KJV and read with confidence.
    brandplucked's posts sew confidence and faith, the opponents' posts sew uncertainty and doubt...in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    2 Timothy 3:15 KJV -

    A child of any language can learn the scriptures and the gospel of their salvation. If I were to translate to a different specific language I would still use my KJV to do it.

    Once you go KJV you don't go back !!!
    I've been using the KJV for over thirty-five years and it's a Cambridge as well.

    I don't see how it's possible to translate the KJV into a completely different language and still call it the KJV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    Which King James bible are you referring to?


    tetelestai, Kinney said that the Oxford 1769 is not God's complete word, and indicated that there were errors in the 1769, and it is these two that a major percentage of all KJBs ever printed were based upon, probably also stecko's.

    Oh, and the voice of the turtle was heard throughout the land. Hmm. Kinney's defense of that was about as loud as that turtle's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    My answer to that is probably different than Mr. Kinney's. I believe that other peoples already have, in their own language, the Word of God inerrantly.
    There are peoples that do not have the word of GOD in their own language.
    That is why Wycliff Bible translators have been doing the very thing that I described, which is, learning to speak the language of people who have no written language, then developing a written language for them,
    translating the Bible into that new written language and then teaching that people to read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    brandplucked's posts sew confidence and faith, the opponents' posts sew uncertainty and doubt...in my opinion.
    It looks like confidence and faith built on sand to me. The KJV cannot be the inerrant version based on comparisons to other versions. That is begging the question. The only attempt at a positive argument for KJO is that it is revealed to some people that the KJV is inerrant. Why cant that be said for any version and the same arguments used?

    Of course my confusion is compounded by WK's admission that there are errors in the KJV! I've never really gotten into the details of this topic before but is this really it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Reign View Post
    Yes, I do agree with that. You use everything available within the context of the passage to ascertain its meaning. The context can be quite broad (as I explained in my 1-1 which I sent you a link to) including a study of the language and idioms in use. The problem with this particular verse is that no research has found anything that could possibly shed light on it - other than the ironic fact that there is a long history of making wild guesses at it.
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    Or you could just 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

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    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuySmiley View Post
    It looks like confidence and faith built on sand to me. The KJV cannot be the inerrant version based on comparisons to other versions. That is begging the question. The only attempt at a positive argument for KJO is that it is revealed to some people that the KJV is inerrant. Why cant that be said for any version and the same arguments used?

    Of course my confusion is compounded by WK's admission that there are errors in the KJV! I've never really gotten into the details of this topic before but is this really it?
    built on sand?
    I liked that
    it has a familiar ring
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    we really have to ask the question
    why is it so important to believe the kjv is the only one you can trust?
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuySmiley View Post
    It looks like confidence and faith built on sand to me.
    If there is one, it is the KJB.

    Do you believe there is one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    If there is one, it is the KJB.

    Do you believe there is one?
    I don't believe there is one. We have enough information though to know what God said and His word is preserved. The KJB might be the best version, but WK seems offended by that idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Enyart View Post
    Oh, and the voice of the turtle was heard throughout the land. Hmm. Kinney's defense of that was about as loud as that turtle's.
    I wonder if Kinney knows the difference between a turtle and a tortoise?

    I ask because apparently Kinney doesn't know the difference between a turtle and a turtledove.

    (Song of Solomon 2:12 ESV) The flowers appear on the earth, the time of singing has come, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in our land.

    (Song of Solomon 2:12 KJV) The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;


    Maybe STP, Kinney, or heir can tell us about their singing turtle?
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    I wonder if Kinney knows the difference between a turtle and a tortoise?

    I ask because apparently Kinney doesn't know the difference between a turtle and a turtledove.

    (Song of Solomon 2:12 ESV) The flowers appear on the earth, the time of singing has come, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in our land.

    (Song of Solomon 2:12 KJV) The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;


    Maybe STP, Kinney, or heir can tell us about their singing turtle?
    Tet: "The KJV is without error."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuySmiley View Post
    I don't believe there is one. We have enough information though to know what God said and His word is preserved. The KJB might be the best version, but WK seems offended by that idea.
    the only reliable source we have
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    His church built on a rock
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    the only reliable source we have
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    His church built on a rock


    A church which died out mid first century. The twelve are waiting in their graves to be raised up to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
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    This post cracked me up, as WK posted a verse from his inerrant version.
    (Notice the yellow highlight done by me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by brandplucked View Post
    Not if they are King James Bible believers. Otherwise, Yes, they are just spinning their wheels and coming up with their own opinions, that are different from everybody else's opinions.

    "In those days there was no king in Israel; every many did that which was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25

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    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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