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    Battle Royale XIV discussion thread

    It's been a full seven years since the last Battle Royale on TOL. Well.... good news folks because Battle Royale XIV is heading your way and it's going to a fun one.



    What: Is the King James Bible the Only Inspired Scripture on Earth Today? Battle Royale XIV

    Who: This King James Only debate will be moderated by TheologyOnline.com’s webmaster, through his TOL screen name Knight, who can be contacted at knight@TheologyOnline.com. Will Kinney has informed us that he will defend the proposition that the King James Bible is the only inspired Scripture on Earth today. Pastor Bob Enyart and Will Duffy of Denver Bible Church have informed us that they will oppose the proposition.

    Where: The debate will take place in the Coliseum at TheologyOnline.com (TOL), the popular online Christian forum, in the Battle Royale Center Ring. The moderator, TOL’s webmaster Knight, and the opponents will participate over the web. Spectators can likewise observe the debate and comment in The Grandstands there within the Coliseum.

    When: The debate will begin on Monday, November 2, 2015 at noon Mountain Time. TOL’s webmaster Knight will open the debate and both sides will simultaneously post their opening statements.

    KJO Debate Guidelines

    Honor: Both sides commit to honor God through their demeanor, to “argue hard and love much.”

    Clarity: Both sides will attempt to achieve clarity and avoid obfuscation.


    Responsiveness: Each side will make an effort to be responsive to the other, to interact, and to answer relevant questions forthrightly, which also ensures that the participants actually debate one another and not simply post material written for other purposes, especially if that material is not specifically responsive.


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    Question Numbering: To help focus the opponent on the topic(s) of a particular post, and to enable readers to follow the debate more easily, participants will sequentially number their questions using TOL’s Battle Royale convention of initials, a Q for question, an A for answer, and then the question number. Bob Enyart and Will Duffy will identify their questions with BWQ1, BWQ2; Will Kinney will identify his questions with WKQ1, WKQ2, etc. To reply, mark any answer with BWA-WKQ1 (Bob & Will answer Will Kinney’s first question), WKA-BWQ3 (Will Kinney answer’s Bob & Will’s third question), etc. Prior to presenting the answer, first quote in full the question that was asked, and then present one's answer. After reading a post, without such a convention, it may be unclear to the audience and even to the opponent exactly what is being asked. So this also saves participants time in evaluating an opponent’s post. And it discourages unresponsive replies that focus for example on rhetorical questions or incidental details while ignoring the primary challenges. Of course there can be valid reasons why an opponent may refuse to answer a given question.

    Posting: The debate will consist of five rounds of a maximum of 6,000 words per post. Both first round posts will appear online simultaneously at noon on November 2nd. For each of the next four rounds, the proponent, Will Kinney, must post within 48 hours of the previous post, and the opponents, Bob Enyart and Will Duffy, must post within 48 hours of Will Kinney’s post. The official Battle Royale XIV clock will be set by Knight and will show the countdown on TOL. Graphics are permitted but links will not be permitted except at the end of each side’s final post.

    All participants in the debate have agreed to the rules and are preparing their opening round posts as we speak.

    In this thread feel free to discuss the battle and how you think it might go as well as comment on the battle posts as the participants make them.
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    So.... thoughts???

    I think this should be interesting.
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    Should be informative for both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    So.... thoughts???

    I think this should be interesting.
    What is the time limit for rounds ? which participants are Pro KJV ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    What is the time limit for rounds ? which participants are Pro KJV ?
    Patrick, the opening post should answer your questions! Can't wait for this to begin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    So.... thoughts???

    I think this should be interesting.
    I'm surprised Bob E. took the side he does, but I'm anxious to check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    So.... thoughts???
    King James Onlyism is so easy to refute.

    For anyone interested, the University of Pennsylvania has an original First Edition King James Bible from 1611 that can be viewed online HERE
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    So.... thoughts???

    I think this should be interesting.
    It's never a good thing to argue that all scripture was given by inspiration of God, but not "is given by inspiration of God,...". And that is the case of the Bible user versus the Bible believer.

    We either take God at His word believing every word, or we don't. May we always side with the Holy Bible over any Bible corrector.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    So.... thoughts???

    I think this should be interesting.
    Could the title of the Battle Royale XIV be changed to
    "Is the King James Bible the Only Inspired Scripture In English on Earth Today?"

    It seems very unfair against Will Kinney if Bob Enyart and Will Duffy are able to bring in Hebrew and Greek scripture as proof that there is scripture in other languages that is clearly more inspired than any translation.

    For that matter, there is still the Latin scripture used by the Catholic church and the German scripture used by the Reformers that have been used for even longer than the KJV.

    Allowing the argument to wander away from English translations will just muddle the debate.
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    Whoever is arguing against KJVO has been set up for an easy slam dunk. Guessing that is Enyart and co.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alate_One View Post
    Whoever is arguing against KJVO has been set up for an easy slam dunk.
    Yep, like taking candy from a baby.

    However, KJVO's are very stubborn people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Could the title of the Battle Royale XIV be changed to
    "Is the King James Bible the Only Inspired Scripture In English on Earth Today?"
    I see your point, but you have to understand that most KJVO people actually believe the KJV is the only inspired bible on the planet. They don't care about the other bibles in different languages.

    Speaking of English, just ask a KJVO what inspired bible English speaking people had before 1611. They usually have no answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    most KJVO people actually believe the KJV is the only inspired bible on the planet
    If they believe that, then there is no common ground on which to debate them.
    Nothing they say will make any sense, and nothing anyone says to them will make any sense to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    I see your point, but you have to understand that most KJVO people actually believe the KJV is the only inspired bible on the planet. They don't care about the other bibles in different languages.

    Speaking of English, just ask a KJVO what inspired bible English speaking people had before 1611. They usually have no answer.
    One person I discussed with claimed that before the KJV, God used the Vulgate because it was in the common tongue for its day and that was how God preserved his word. He stated that God used the KJV because English was a worldwide language. He didn't manage to quite find an answer to the fact that in 1611 English was only spoken in England. And probably not even the whole of England. Let alone Scotland and Wales. They dig deeper and deeper holes for themselves. I told him that Latin was still the lingua franca in 1611 by a large margin.
    Personally, I feel that KJVOnlyists are so for the sole reason of having an excuse to tell as many people as possible how stupid they are. Sorry you folk out there, but it really is at that level. It is utterly unsupportable in every aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Reign View Post
    It is utterly unsupportable in every aspect.
    I know.

    Yet, they exist.

    IMO, this article HERE gives the best explanation for KJVO, and how it all started.
    (1 Cor 1:13 KJV) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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