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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
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    There will never be a one world government or religion. That's a pipe dream of our illustrious prophecy experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disturbo View Post
    There will never be a one world government or religion. That's a pipe dream of our illustrious prophecy experts.
    Are you a prophet that you know this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disturbo View Post
    There will never be a one world government or religion. That's a pipe dream of our illustrious prophecy experts.
    Take it up with the apostle John (Re 17:5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by disturbo View Post
    There will never be a one world government or religion. That's a pipe dream of our illustrious prophecy experts.
    Scripture says otherwise, both in this dispensation and in the millennial reign of Christ. There will be a world dictator and then Christ will defeat him and take His Throne in Jerusalem as King of kings and Lord of lords, reigning over the earth for 1,000 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    say it ain't so serpy !!
    'Tis so (2 Thess. 2:3).


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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Are you a prophet that you know this?
    Are you a prophet for believing there will be a one world religion and government?


    It really doesn't take that much to figure out. The problem is similar to people believing in a revived Roman Empire. That, and a one world government and religion have taught for so long that people have a difficult time believing otherwise. Do you really think that all of the world's religions and governments would just relinquish their political and religious authority to one man? How would one man accomplish such an enormous task? I don't believe in globalism because the scriptures teach otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Take it up with the apostle John (Re 17:5).

    I have taken it up with the apostle John. From 1973 to 1993 I believed that a one world government and religion would come in the last days. But that was because I believed what I was taught. If people would just do their own unbiased homework and reconsider what they already believe, and be willing to admit their mistakes and change their mind, they would see there's no such thing. But Christians today adhere to their beliefs regardless of the scriptural evidence, and Rev 17:5 is NOT scriptural evidence for a global dictator or religion. After all, how could such an overwhelming majority of 'prophecy experts' all be wrong about globalism?

    So where is a one world government and religion implied in Revelation 17:5?

    Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Scripture says otherwise, both in this dispensation and in the millennial reign of Christ. There will be a world dictator and then Christ will defeat him and take His Throne in Jerusalem as King of kings and Lord of lords, reigning over the earth for 1,000 years.
    Where do you find a global dictator and a one world religion in the Holy Scriptures?

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    Lightbulb Millennial reign?

    Quote Originally Posted by disturbo View Post
    Where do you find a global dictator and a one world religion in the Holy Scriptures?
    Hi disturbo,

    How do you view the millennial reign of Jesus, and is this 'reign' not 'global', or is it just a localized reign? Or is all this merely 'figurative'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Hi disturbo,

    How do you view the millennial reign of Jesus, and is this 'reign' not 'global', or is it just a localized reign? Or is all this merely 'figurative'?
    I'm not talking about the Millennial reign of Jesus. I'm talking about the reign of the demonic duo.

    But since you've asked. Yes the Millennial reign of Christ will be global.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disturbo View Post
    Are you a prophet for believing there will be a one world religion and government?


    It really doesn't take that much to figure out. The problem is similar to people believing in a revived Roman Empire. That, and a one world government and religion have taught for so long that people have a difficult time believing otherwise. Do you really think that all of the world's religions and governments would just relinquish their political and religious authority to one man? How would one man accomplish such an enormous task? I don't believe in globalism because the scriptures teach otherwise.
    Seems you missed this one then:

    Revelation 13:3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4t hey worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" 5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Seems you missed this one then:

    Revelation 13:3-4 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" 5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.…
    I didn't miss one. I know the chapter quite well and have done several word studies on it. I don't know what translation you use but it does no justice to the original text. Also, Revelation 13 is a great chapter to explain how misinterpreting one three letter word has led so many people believe in a global dictator.

    Probably the most often misunderstood words in the bible are, all, end, world, before, and but.

    The word 'followed' in Revelation 3:3 is a really bad interpretation of the original text. Most other translations are much closer to what John/God intended to mean. This is the KJV...

    And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    Look at how these translations are worded...

    King James Version
    13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    American Standard Version
    13:3 And I saw one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast;

    Bible in Basic English
    13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been given a death-wound; and his death-wound was made well: and all the earth was wondering at the beast.

    Darby's English Translation
    13:3 and one of his heads was as slain to death, and his wound of death had been healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast.

    Douay Rheims
    13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were slain to death: and his death's wound was healed. And all the earth was in admiration after the beast.

    Noah Webster Bible
    13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    World English Bible
    13:3 One of his heads looked like it had been wounded fatally. His fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled at the beast.

    Young's Literal Translation
    13:3 And I saw one of its heads as slain to death, and its deadly stroke was healed, and all the earth did wonder after the beast,

    This next translation isn't quite accurate...

    Weymouth New Testament
    13:3 I saw that one of his heads seemed to have been mortally wounded; but his mortal wound was healed, and the whole world was amazed and followed him.

    Some if not all translations expose the preconceived ideas of those who translated them. I think that's true with the one you quoted and also the Weymouth NT.

    Greek and Hebrew are much more descriptive than English. If you use Strong's with Greek and Hebrew lexicon you'll see about 130 words total for the word ALL. There are only a few words for all that are most often used. The word is also used some 7 or 8 different ways in the bible. Prophecy experts use Rev. 13 and 17 to support a global empire and world dictator, as well as a united one world religion. Revelation 13 is a good chapter to explain some of the different ways the word all is used. There are hundreds of examples in the bible where all never means the entirety of the whole.

    So let me explain.

    In verse 3 the word all is the word 'holos' and when 'holos' is used it does mean the entire ball of wax.

    And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    Verse 3 doesn't imply that the entire world will follow the beast. It only implies that the entire world will wonder (be amazed) if someone who they believed was dead... is resurrected. But in Revelation 13:7-8 a different word for all is used.

    Revelation 13:7-8 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    In Rev. 13:8 'all' is the word 'pas' and in the plural it signifies "the totality of the persons or things referred to." The verse doesn't imply the entire planet.

    The word ALL or 'pas' means 'individually,' and in a nutshell means all those who would be within his kingdom and under his authority. It doesn't imply all the world. It implies all kindreds, tongues, and nations "within his authority and kingdom."

    The word ALL resorts back to the word 'him!' It doesn't imply that the whole world will be under the authority of the beast, but only those subject to his power and influence.

    Two different words with two different meanings. If John wanted to imply the entire world in verse 7-8 he would have used the word 'holos.'

    ALSO...

    The word world and earth doesn't always imply the entire earth. It can mean land, the ground, the earth as a whole, the inhabited earth, a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, a territory, or a region. Context and the use of the word ALL is often what determines how to interpret the words world and earth.
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