---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
If you wish not to engage in 'creative dialogue' (the sky is the limit), then refrain, or try to expand consciousness enough to engage a discussion of potential good and enlightenment. That's what this is all about. Pejorative language or condenscending remarks are not welcome or necessary here. Remember, we are judged by our words, which either uplift us, or demote us.
First of all understand that not all discussion needs to include specific bible quotes to be of value or significance since I've shared ideas, thoughts, principles and concepts that are certainly germane to those concepts found in the Bible or any other religious text. You might want to expand your 'contextual view' to include 'God' as being a universal reality, for this is a foundational premise in any discussion of 'theology'.
Sure, these are my 'thoughts' being translated onto a screen of 'space', - the fun and challenge for your dear 'reader' is to 'respond' in a constructive and creative way. Could you manage that? We have before,...and some exchanges have been positive high-notes in the greater symphony. -its all about how we conduct things, and we have that power to co-create by our 'response-ability' in these matters. Remember, this is a 'discussion' thread,...and as I proposed....this space is a place to battle your own inner issues, beliefs and opinions,.....a 'self-challenge' as it were. After all, many of the assumptions we hold may be dubious. The mind is a playing-field with many traps and other hazards that may hinder our clear seeing into the realm of truth, distorted by so many layers of presumption. On that note, its in our best interest to keep researching our conclucions about anything, and even admitting where we just don't know (the position of agnosis...being an 'agnostic'). Its ok to admit "I don't know". Naked you came into this world,...naked you return.
Anyways,....you're at freelights cafe'.....so feel free to browse the menu and enjoy our meditation lounge have fun or just relax, for heaven's sake.
For my views on ECT (eternal conscious torment) which I reject,...see posts #43 & 44 with commentary links
Now concerning 'eternal individuated life' for human souls,...since I currently hold to an either 'conditional immortality' or 'universalism' POV (point of view) in my rejection of ECT (there may be some other alternatives as well)...if 'conditional immortality' is true,...then its possible some souls actually do DIE (forfeit their 'individual life potential') by reaching a point of no return in their total embrace of iniquity (rejection of life)...so these souls are 'disintegrated'. - now those parts of the soul that have eternal value are not wasted but are returned to the OverSoul of creation or become part of other life-streams (souls) in the eternal progression of all. From here the metaphysis can get interesting, still exploring
But concerning ECT,...if God is love, and that love is infinite...then no finite limitation or obstruction can ultimately diminish or expunge that love.....ever.....unless God has given the soul sovereign power of 'freedom of choice' (call if 'free will' if you like) to choose 'death' for itself. - we also recognize that a total embrace of iniquity and the fruit of sin is 'death'. Differences of view depend on how one defines 'death' of course, and we're back juggling the various details of 'eschatology'.
Still,...as we consider the 'eternity' and 'infinity' of God's LOVE...that is ever pre-eminent. What is eternal/infinite ever avails...no matter what prescriptions we assume or theologies we entertain. The infinite swallows up the finite ultimately.
Blog-portal on ECT here
Hmmm … "cosmic consciousness". That's an interesting phrase.
It's interesting to think of the cosmos as being "conscious", and especially so in that we would be (so far) the only known mechanism by which it has become conscious, and SELF-conscious at that! Though I suppose that "we" would not just be we humans, but would include all life forms to some degree. To the degree that any life form is able to perceive/contemplate "the cosmos", the cosmos is then contemplating itself, since we are all a part of it.
That makes for a pretty strong argument for a "cosmic consciousness" if you think about it. And it's not just a semantic argument, either. it's quite logical. The only flaw in it would be that if we humans do end up wiping ourselves out, it will mean the cosmos went "insane" because of us, and it's consciousness destroyed itself! What a strange and sad result that would be. But stranger still is the point that we are not only a mechanism of cosmic consciousness, but also a mechanism of cosmic self-will. Through us, the cosmos could become insane, and lose it's "mind, forever.
Curiouser, and curiouser.
Wonderful insights, since the individuals units within the Collective make up the entire community, but lets consider the intergral unity at the heart of all, and that even in disorder, conflict, pain, a sense of separation and suffering,...there is still ever the primal unity or blueprint woven into the tapestry of the cosmos, which we can never fully be separate from, and that the life-forces and energies of the Universe and its various assistants tend towards the greater goodness, harmony and integration of the whole, towards its higher potential of realization and fulfillment.That makes for a pretty strong argument for a "cosmic consciousness" if you think about it. And it's not just a semantic argument, either. it's quite logical. The only flaw in it would be that if we humans do end up wiping ourselves out, it will mean the cosmos went "insane" because of us, and it's consciousness destroyed itself! What a strange and sad result that would be. But stranger still is the point that we are not only a mechanism of cosmic consciousness, but also a mechanism of cosmic self-will. Through us, the cosmos could become insane, and lose it's "mind, forever.
Even though in the play of duality/multiplicity or 'maya' we experience the illusion of separation and disenchantment...a more pure clear reflectivity of spirit is ever central to our being, which illumines and guides us if we but be its perfect mirror.
And such is ever the attitude of a truth-seeker, an honest student of life and its various sciences. We look towards learning, growing, progressing, unfolding our latent potential and knowledge, as life leads us on in its quest. This is why I find there is always both 'agnosis' and 'gnosis' with a spiritual seeker who has enough 'religious experience' to give him some kind of 'knowledge' of the unseen world of Spirit, but also recognizes the world of the 'unknown' or 'unknowable' co-existing at the same time, because of our limited or enscoped perspective enfolding this space-time dimension. Therefore our view of reality is relative to our own subjective conditioning or filters, beyond the essence of pure awareness just radiant unto itself as itself. - all else reflects thru dimensional filters or mirrors making perception 'relative'. Its all 'relative' as far as anything can be 'related', and such includes various degrees of 'distortion'.Curiouser, and curiouser.
We explore this relationship between Creator and Creation in my 'Return to Oneness' thread,...using Gerald O'Donnell's transmissions as an exploration into the field of 'non-duality' and 'duality', how the infinite or eternal inter-acts or cooperates with the finite and temporal, there being an inter-activity of relativity thru-out the whole, granting that the Totality includes all dimensions as well as that which has no dimensions
This is particularly significant for this season of time as we reflect on 'cosmic-convergence' in the 2015 message here.
It is not "every man for himself", as our ego-centric fear leads us to imagine.
12:7.11 Brotherhood constitutes a fact of relationship between every personality in universal existence. No person can escape the benefits or the penalties that may come as a result of relationship to other persons. The part profits or suffers in measure with the whole. The good effort of each man benefits all men; the error or evil of each man augments the tribulation of all men. As moves the part, so moves the whole. As the progress of the whole, so the progress of the part. The relative velocities of part and whole determine whether the part is retarded by the inertia of the whole or is carried forward by the momentum of the cosmic brotherhood.
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