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    Updates in dialogue -

    Engaging AMR here and here on 'free will', and challenging the concept of 'preterition' (meaning to pass by or over persons, abandoning them to their own sinful devices without bestowing salvation, even denying them the opportunity, not from their own choice, but by God's decree).

    Continuing to explore the concept of 'free will' here contextualizing within a Urantia Book cosmology as well. In my free will studies I try to consider/include all pertinent/possible views. The UB actually incorporates a wonderful view on free will (elements of both Open Theism and Process Theology with its own innovations), holding individual free will as 'sovereign' as it determines individual destiny, and this in no way annuls or over-rides God's Sovereignty in any matter, except on this point of soteriology, which God has by his own decree established! - therefore free will is sovereign regarding individual destiny, the complete opposite of that which is proposed in Calvinism. God's ultimate sovereign will reigns in the Universal and Total...even though some individual units or souls may choose to forfeit survival, choosing death (disintegration) thereby being absorbed back into the Universal Spirit, or OverSoul of Creation. (there are wonderful descriptions of this 'process' or reabsorption, or disintegration back into the primal elements, and which parts of an unsurviving soul is preserved or fully terminated).

    There is always more....see posts archive

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    Engaging AMR here and here on 'free will', and challenging the concept of 'preterition' (meaning to pass by or over persons, abandoning them to their own sinful devices without bestowing salvation, even denying them the opportunity, not from their own choice, but by God's decree).

    Continuing to explore the concept of 'free will' here contextualizing within a Urantia Book cosmology as well. In my free will studies I try to consider/include all pertinent/possible views. The UB actually incorporates a wonderful view on free will (elements of both Open Theism and Process Theology with its own innovations), holding individual free will as 'sovereign' as it determines individual destiny, and this in no way annuls or over-rides God's Sovereignty in any matter, except on this point of soteriology, which God has by his own decree established! - therefore free will is sovereign regarding individual destiny, the complete opposite of that which is proposed in Calvinism. God's ultimate sovereign will reigns in the Universal and Total...even though some individual units or souls may choose to forfeit survival, choosing death (disintegration) thereby being absorbed back into the Universal Spirit, or OverSoul of Creation. (there are wonderful descriptions of this 'process' or reabsorption, or disintegration back into the primal elements, and which parts of an unsurviving soul is preserved or fully terminated).

    There is always more....see posts archive
    Are you sure you have the "freewill" to do so?
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
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    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Are you sure you have the "freewill" to do so?
    Yes,...Love has ordained that I have the freedom to choose

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    Lightbulb Synergy.............

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    Are you sure you have the "freewill" to do so?
    As I survey the great debate and development of 'free will' and 'grace' in the history of the church, a wonderful adventure it is. While the whole gamut and spectrum of so called 'heresies' have risen, and an orthodox solution or assumptions affirmed by the church-power that be (those in place at any given time of course, having the power to enforce anything)...I see that a 'synergestic' cooperation between the soul and grace is most rational and experientially affirmed, that at least a preveneint grace ever underlies or accompanies the soul in its movement Godward, while a genuine freedom of choice exists for the soul thru-out, no matter what influencing factors are in place, whether inwardly or outwardly.

    Contentions have mostly been on the extreme ends of full human effort being efficacious without any aid of grace, to the full overpowering of God alone being the initiator and mover of the soul in its obeying of the Spirit, with different variance or cooperative actions inbetween, so there, so much splitting hairs going on, as far as how we define our terms and meanings. We are also at last after the heap of words and their directives wondering if all this even matters, except to satisfy our conscience in coming to some rational philosophical understanding of the whole PROCESS. - and if it is a 'process', this infers some 'co-creative' operation at work between personalities. - while all that exists is brought into being by God, and allowed by God,...our context is certainly monergistic (since 'God' alone is the sole orgin, substrate and context of existence and all its potentials/possibilieies). - but the interactivity of souls inter-relating MUST by inter-active FUNCTION be 'synergestic',...or we can dismiss any free enterprise of real 'relating' on any level whatsoever between persons, and our concept of 'covenantal relationship' is mere fancy. As a final note on this thought, I see 'synergy'

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    A wonderful meditation to point our attention to the source of mind, the source and context of all that exists, all that is.

    Mooji is a wonderful teacher in the Advaita (Non-duality) tradition.

    Here, one identifies only as the 'atman' (soul) who is already one with 'Brahman' (the Universal Infinite Supreme Spirit, Pure Awareness prior to words, space, time or conception).

    In due time I may create a new 'non-dualism' thread

    In the meantime, abide as pure awareness....sat-chit-ananda (existence, consciousness, bliss).

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    I came here to publicly proclaim that you are my friend and brother.

    God bless you and forever shine through you.
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
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    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
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    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post



    A wonderful meditation to point our attention to the source of mind, the source and context of all that exists, all that is.

    Mooji is a wonderful teacher in the Advaita (Non-duality) tradition.

    Here, one identifies only as the 'atman' (soul) who is already one with 'Brahman' (the Universal Infinite Supreme Spirit, Pure Awareness prior to words, space, time or conception).

    In due time I may create a new 'non-dualism' thread

    In the meantime, abide as pure awareness....sat-chit-ananda (existence, consciousness, bliss).
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    I came here to publicly proclaim that you are my friend and brother.

    God bless you and forever shine through you.
    Revealing.

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
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    It is

    Jesus said in at least 3 places in John,

    “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

    This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

    This I command you, that you love one another.


    And also in 1 John -

    "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love."

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    Hi all,

    Recent posts -

    Elohim, a plural unity

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    (beautiful mantra-prayer)

    Among some current readings: The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ


    Subjects: karma among the different world religions and faith-schools, free will and predestination, infinity, Unitarian/Trinitarian viewpoints, Panentheism, expanding consciousness, general metaphysics, Theosophy, The Violet Flame,.......

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    Lightbulb The Fatherhood of God, Brotherhood of Man.....

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    I came here to publicly proclaim that you are my friend and brother.

    God bless you and forever shine through you.
    Thank you EE,

    As you know, my views on religious philosophy, theology, metaphysics, ethics, cosmology, science (all schools) align with what I perceive as universal, cosmic truths and principles. Our agreements happen to be in some of these universal truths and values, such as love, equity, justice, mercy, faith, truth, beauty, goodness, kindness, gentleness and other precepts that are both good, moral, exemplary and beneficial to all men.

    We may have differences in some belief-concepts, world view, particulars here and there, but on some universal we agree. Friendship however has to do with valuing the god-presence(spirit) and potential in each soul, regardless of their 'religious beliefs' or lack thereof. Loving others has nothing to do with a definition, label, image or assumption about a person, but seeing them for who they are in reality. This mutual respect is the basis of brotherhood, as we recognize 'God' as our FATHER.

    Namaste.

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    A beautiful Sikh mantra and chant, sung by Singh Kaur with Kim Robertson on harp, part of the Crimson Series recordings -

    Vol. 1 Guru Ram Das (For Protection)
    The chant Guru Ram Das has the power to induce a healing state of consciousness. In the ancient scriptures, it is said to strengthen the connection with the inner spirit and to develop a sense of purpose and guidance. The majestic orchestral quality of this album includes French horns and plucked strings underlying the rich vocals and Celtic harp. This is the most instrumentally rich of the Crimson Collection.

    Mantra: Guru Ram Das Mantra

    Complete Mantra:

    Guru Guru Wahe Guru, Guru Ram Das Guru

    Language: Gurmukhi
    Source: Dream with Guru Ram Das Ji
    Author: Yogi Bhajan

    Translation:

    Guru - teacher or guide that brings one from the darkness to the light.
    Wahe - exclamation of ecstacy like ''WOW!''
    Ram Das - literally translates as "God's Servant",
    but also refers to Guru Ram Das, the Fourth Guru of the Sikhs
    More Information:
    This mantra was given to Yogi Bhajan by Guru Ram Das in His astral self. As Guru Ram Das, the fourth Guru of the Sikhs, was known for humility and healing abilities this mantra is also known for its healing qualities and for imparting humility to the one who chants it.

    This mantra relates directly to healing and protective energy represented by Guru Ram Das. The mantra is comprised of two parts. The first part is a nirgun mantra (Guru Guru Wahe Guru). This projects the mind to the source of knowledge and ecstasy. The second part is a sirgun mantra (Guru Ram Das Guru). This means the wisdom that comes as a servant of the infinite. It is the mantra of humility. It reconnects the experience of the finite to infinity.

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    Here I am. I will level with you. I had to become a spiritual being through the leveling of life, before I could even begin to hear the "still small voice of God" in my life. My soul became thirsty beyond description and I drank anything "spiritual" that I could lay my hands on. I wasn't quenched until I understood Jesus Christ as the genuine revelation of God.

    This is where I explain to you that I have always sensed the Spirit of God within people that have absolutely zero doctrine or biblical understanding. There was a dogmatic part of my life, where I tried to force scripture on Atheists, but I was always met with hostility! When I became "Dead", but "Alive by Him within, alone", I was overwhelmed with a sense of connection and spiritual Love that transcended anything I had ever understood.

    Every human being became a "Child of God", in my eyes. I still see this. But... after much honesty with myself and God, study, prayer and searching, I understand that many people Hate God! They literally loath life and carry hate within their heart. These people manifest this in many different ways... but these are the ones that I am certain will literally attempt to "Kill God", when He returns in "Spiritual Flesh".

    This is most painful, because I know that all who understand HIS infinite LOVE desire that NONE should PERISH, but have ETERNITY. This is my introduction to you as a spiritually focused being, indwelled by our Majestic Creator. (Col. 1:15)

    I do proclaim that Jesus is the fullness of God and all will confess Him as such, but I am here to strip away my dogma and sincerely express many of the (Indescribable things) that I have been accumulating since He truly opened my eyes. I'm not ready to discuss other concepts of the definition of God at this moment... but I am opening up to speaking with you about the Meta-Physical concepts of Life that surround us and dwell within people that even claim to deny God.

    I would like to submit a quote from an interesting fellow and see if you can grab it and start kicking this discussion ball back and forth. I'll link an odd quote to two scriptures and see if it spurs you to "Create" something that we can expound on...

    “You are wrong if you think Joy emanates only or principally from human relationships. God has placed it all around us. It is everything and anything we might experience. We just have to have the courage to turn against out habitual lifestyle and engage in unconventional living.”

    ― Alexander Supertramp Chris McCandless

    Parallel this to... (Ps. 8:3 and Dt. 4:19)
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Red face Cosmos disciple......

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
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    Here I am. I will level with you. I had to become a spiritual being through the leveling of life, before I could even begin to hear the "still small voice of God" in my life. My soul became thirsty beyond description and I drank anything "spiritual" that I could lay my hands on. I wasn't quenched until I understood Jesus Christ as the genuine revelation of God.

    This is where I explain to you that I have always sensed the Spirit of God within people that have absolutely zero doctrine or biblical understanding. There was a dogmatic part of my life, where I tried to force scripture on Atheists, but I was always met with hostility! When I became "Dead", but "Alive by Him within, alone", I was overwhelmed with a sense of connection and spiritual Love that transcended anything I had ever understood.

    Every human being became a "Child of God", in my eyes. I still see this. But... after much honesty with myself and God, study, prayer and searching, I understand that many people Hate God! They literally loath life and carry hate within their heart. These people manifest this in many different ways... but these are the ones that I am certain will literally attempt to "Kill God", when He returns in "Spiritual Flesh".

    One Great Central Sun,...many rays of that Infinite One. The Sun and its rays are one, as in essence and energy. Variations of substance and form derive therefrom in extending creation.

    This is most painful, because I know that all who understand HIS infinite LOVE desire that NONE should PERISH, but have ETERNITY. This is my introduction to you as a spiritually focused being, indwelled by our Majestic Creator. (Col. 1:15)
    Indeed, only the Spirit is Life. Spirit is our life-bread, blood, wine, milk and meat :) The bread comes down from heaven, and nourishes our soul-body, as life-giving spirit.

    I do proclaim that Jesus is the fullness of God and all will confess Him as such, but I am here to strip away my dogma and sincerely express many of the (Indescribable things) that I have been accumulating since He truly opened my eyes. I'm not ready to discuss other concepts of the definition of God at this moment... but I am opening up to speaking with you about the Meta-Physical concepts of Life that surround us and dwell within people that even claim to deny God.
    Excellent,....words can only represent, point to or describe some thing or being. When human words and concepts are applied to the infinite, they can only at best approximate some symbolic representation. In the pure essence and glory of Spirit, words fail, concepts and even images are outshined in the LIGHT of the INFINITE. In the most pure essence of Deity, there is pure Spirit, incorporeal, beyond words, space, time, all-radiant BEING. - and of course, these words barely touch the reality itself, whose glory is Self-evident as the One I AM. - this light of consciousness is within all sentient beings, mirrored in the soul of man, whose glory the Messiah further awakens, reveals and resurrects within us. 'Christ in you, the hope of glory'. - the image/likeness/glory of God restored in Man, as the New Man, archetyped as the Adam-Kadmon.

    As shared before,...I have always honored the 'Christ' and the Lord Jesus but do not limit or pigeonhole him into any one given Christological mold, because he has been wondrous in many different modes and models, to which I've discovered and explored, and continue to hold being the WAY, in many different facets and tones, to the glory of The Universal Father, and even our Divine Mother as well :) - being eclectic and already having tasted something of the cosmic and infinite, I could not diminish the scope and manifold gnosis to any one given concept-frame, tradition or cult-ure, but will for the sake of communicating employ those terms and meanings that apply ;)

    I would like to submit a quote from an interesting fellow and see if you can grab it and start kicking this discussion ball back and forth. I'll link an odd quote to two scriptures and see if it spurs you to "Create" something that we can expound on...

    “You are wrong if you think Joy emanates only or principally from human relationships. God has placed it all around us. It is everything and anything we might experience. We just have to have the courage to turn against out habitual lifestyle and engage in unconventional living.”

    ― Alexander Supertramp Chris McCandless

    Parallel this to... (Ps. 8:3 and Dt. 4:19)
    I say glory to Cosmos! Because the cosmos is the radiant ever evolving/expanding body of the Creator, his physical habitation as it were,..so that all universes within the Grand Universe proclaims and testifies by its very existence, the glory of the Creator and his logos (this correlates to the creative word, sound, principle, ordering intelligence found in other religious traditions as well).

    I think a study of astrology in the right way and understanding may give some insight into the nature of the cosmos, and the great OverSoul of all things and beings,....the nature, pattern of the divine psyche archetyping itself in the soul of man, who is but a microcosm of the Great macrocosm, holding to the esoteric idiom of "as above, so below"....."as within, so without" :) - this has been an axiom of the secret wisdom teaching of old,....the occult teaching of the universal science,....since various dualities reflect the greater unity of the One (as in 'dialectical monism'), as it reflects itself in nature, in various phenomena.

    Most important I believe is the concept of 'Original Blessing'.....NOT 'original sin', a destructive doctrine which has impoverished man....to the point of concepts of 'total depravity'. Man has a disposition towards both good and evil, and has the power to attain the good and choose the higher Path, by divine grace and empowerment. This is our course,...to embody and hold the Christ-way, to live it....to be it. Jesus instruction to "be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" still holds, and he meant being perfect in our loving of others. - Matt. 5: 43-48 It is the embodying and serving of this love, by which we are made perfect thru the loving of OUR Heavenly Father.

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