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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You are a false accuser like Satan. You do what your father does.
    Not only are you liars but you are manifest liars, because nobody was ever obedient enough to Moses to be saved, God declares it impossible.

    But Christ's words , if treated as commands to be obeyed are much more impossible.

    Everybody on TOL knows you to be liars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    It is not bad news to obey Jesus' beautiful powerful words.
    Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    And that is even before Paul testified the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 KJV) to people like you and me! But now, we are included!

    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    Not only are you liars but you are manifest liars, because nobody was ever obedient enough to Moses to be saved, God declares it impossible.

    But Christ's words , if treated as commands to be obeyed are much more impossible.

    Everybody on TOL knows you to be liars.

    Of course, there are people who obeyed the old law. What is wrong with you?


    Genesis 32:28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome."


    There were righteous people who obeyed God before Jesus came, and after Jesus.

    Luke 1:6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly.

    Genesis 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.


    Luke 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him.

    John 1:47 When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here truly is an Israelite in whom there is no deceit."

    Job 1:1, 8 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God...

    1 Kings 9:4 And if you will walk before me, as David your father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness...

    1 Kings 15:5 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the LORD and had not failed to keep any of the LORD's commands all the days of his life--except in the case of Uriah the Hittite.

    Genesis 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully and be blameless.

    Luke 1:30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God.

    Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

    Luke 2:37 and then was a widow until she was eighty-four. She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying.


    Luke 8:15 these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance.

    Matthew 12:35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

    Luke 8:15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    And that is even before Paul testified the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 KJV) to people like you and me! But now, we are included!

    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
    None of those scriptures say we don't have to obey Jesus.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shasta View Post
    You almost seem to be presenting to homosexuals a salvation that will allow them to continue practicing that particular lifestyle. If that is what you mean it is false advertising as much as it would be if we were to make the same offer to heterosexual fornicators, pedophiles, murderers or people who are idolators.
    The point of the OP is that sin/sins is not the issue today

    2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Reconciliation was made! The problem that separated us from God was solved by Jesus Christ! Salvation is available to all men as the one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, gave Himself a RANSOM FOR ALL to be testified in due time! The good news EXCLUDES NO ONE on the basis of what they do, have done, or will do in the flesh!
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    None of those scriptures say we don't have to obey Jesus.
    You do not believe that we are reconciled to God by the death of His Son. Go away.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Sin/sins is NOT THE ISSUE today! All of the work necessary to save anyone today was accomplished by God through the faith and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ in the WORLD'S place; that includes ALL MEN (no matter who they are, where they've been or what they were doing while they were there)!

    2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    If you at this moment are an unbeliever, the only thing stopping you from being saved is your unbelief because even though the righteousness of God (the standard for heaven) is available UNTO YOU by the faith of Jesus Christ, it is not UPON YOU until that moment in your life when you trust the Lord believing Christ died for your sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). Trust the Lord for salvation and the righteousness of God will be imputed to you (Romans 3:21-22 KJV, Romans 4:23-25 KJV).

    Now, THAT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^is the "nicest thing you can say to a homo"!


    Even based on this OP, sin is the issue. The title is confusing at best and wrong at worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    You do not believe that we are reconciled to God by the death of His Son. Go away.
    What? There is no reconciliation without Jesus.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The ceremonies were a shadow of what was coming. They were teaching tools.
    Nice non answer you heathen pig. They foretold the death, resurrection, and forgiveness of sins by it. They had to be shown it and shown they could not actually keep the law. The law, You shall not covet ,proves you are dead.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    What? There is no reconciliation without Jesus.
    She said what Paul said. We are reconciled while enemies, by the death of God's son. You deliberately left that part off you heathen pig.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

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    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    What? There is no reconciliation without Jesus.
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    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Of course, there are people who obeyed the old law. What is wrong with you?


    Genesis 32:28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome."


    There were righteous people who obeyed God before Jesus came, and after Jesus.

    Luke 1:6 Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly.

    Genesis 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.


    Luke 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was on him.

    John 1:47 When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here truly is an Israelite in whom there is no deceit."

    Job 1:1, 8 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God...

    1 Kings 9:4 And if you will walk before me, as David your father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness...

    1 Kings 15:5 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the LORD and had not failed to keep any of the LORD's commands all the days of his life--except in the case of Uriah the Hittite.

    Genesis 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me faithfully and be blameless.

    Luke 1:30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God.

    Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

    Luke 2:37 and then was a widow until she was eighty-four. She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying.


    Luke 8:15 “… these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance.”

    Matthew 12:35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

    Luke 8:15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
    All these examples came to God by way of atonement which shows that obedience to commands was never the way to attain to salvation.

    You say God has saved you because you are like these people, I say you are a manifest liar and have no fear whatever of being proved wrong.

    If you said you aspire to obey but yet fail, that would bring you into line with the truth of scripture and the church.

    It would then be crystal clear that obedience could never be the way of salvation....in fact the atonement is an admission of disobedience.

    God only saves sinners.

    Grace through faith is the way of salvation.

    You are not only a liar but you call God a liar to His face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    There waits no judgment for those who OBEY JESUS.
    Will you stand before Him with your good works/deeds, and supposed
    obedience and expect Him to grant you eternal life, based on your own
    merits? Good luck trying that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You will never access that grace unless you have living faith. Living faith is faith with obedience.

    We must repent of our sins and live obeying Jesus.
    Search high and low GT, and you'll NEVER find anybody that
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