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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    Again. If you want to believe in Jesus, his resurrection, his being God, whatever- go ahead. If you want me to believe it, you will need some solid evidence. The fact that millions of Christians believe it isn't good enough. Why?
    1. They don't even claim that there is objective evidence (unlike scientists, who do claim that, and can produce the evidence)
    2. Christian beliefs have no advantage over other religions. Islam has millions of believers too.
    Actually, we do claim there is evidence.

    But tell us: If Jesus did rise from the dead, what evidence would be seen today?
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    People who reject Christ will say anything to justify their rebellion.
    "Reject?" I don't even consider him. If you want me to consider him seriously, then provide some evidence for your claims. Then I can accept or reject him, or more precisely, your myths about him.

    The default isn't "Christianity is true", and more than "Islam is true", or "Bahai is true". You need to provide the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Actually, we do claim there is evidence.

    But tell us: If Jesus did rise from the dead, what evidence would be seen today?
    1. Let's hear the evidence.
    2. I'd expect to see Him walking around. Please note: Many groups have legends and myths about their leaders. It does not make the stories true. A legend about somebody seeing him after the Resurrection is a legend, not evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    1. Let's hear the evidence.
    2. I'd expect to see Him walking around. Please note: Many groups have legends and myths about their leaders. It does not make the stories true. A legend about somebody seeing him after the Resurrection is a legend, not evidence.
    What do you think of the eyewitness accounts of the Gospels. Do you accept or reject them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    What do you think of the eyewitness accounts of the Gospels. Do you accept or reject them?
    You mean the stories of eyewitness accounts in the Gospels?
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    You mean the stories of eyewitness accounts in the Gospels?
    Yeah, by those guys that turned the world upside down with their teaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    2. I'd expect to see Him walking around.
    And what if He had, but you had been elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Yeah, by those guys that turned the world upside down with their teaching.
    Oddly, that didn't really happen for quite a while. Or at all, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    Oddly, that didn't really happen for quite a while. Or at all, really.
    12 guys, that's all it took. Are you some kind of ostrich with its head stuck in the ground?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzeidler View Post
    I understand, but please either have a dialogue with the evidence that was brought forth and bring in your own evidence. Only please don't say that there is no evidence for a historical Jesus yet fail to bring in any evidence for there not being one when evidence is brought forth that there is one. I do not desire hear say and straight denial without dialogue with an argument on my thread. I desire a structured intellectual and respectful discussion. Doesn't mean that we all have to agree, but we all have the responsibility to dialogue with any evidence brought up and not skirt past the issue. Thank you.

    And like I say, the evidence can be read either way, equally. If I'm reading you right you seem to be only interested in interpreting it in a way that supports your cherished beliefs. But there is no contemporary, extra-Biblical evidence that supports that view without looking at it through Christian tinted glasses. If Tacitus and Josephus were both contemporaneous then it would be different. But they're not so their testimony isn't historically reliable. Bummer!

    I don't know what your problem is. You have your book. Just take it on faith. This argument has been raging on for centuries and isn't going to get settled here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    12 guys, that's all it took.
    The Mormons did it with one. So did the Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Are you some kind of ostrich with its head stuck in the ground?
    I dunno, let me check. What sound does an ostrich make?
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    The Mormons did it with one. So did the Muslims.



    I dunno, let me check. What sound does an ostrich make?
    And the Mormons and Muslims got it wrong. At least i'm glad to see you do not doubt his existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    And the Mormons and Muslims got it wrong.
    Just like the Christians, and all the other religions, it seems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    At least i'm glad to see you do not doubt his existence.
    Have you not been following the thread? Or are you referring to Joseph Smith and Mohammed?
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    "Reject?" I don't even consider him. If you want me to consider him seriously, then provide some evidence for your claims. Then I can accept or reject him, or more precisely, your myths about him.

    The default isn't "Christianity is true", and more than "Islam is true", or "Bahai is true". You need to provide the evidence.
    You have almost 1600 posts on a Christian forum and you haven't even considered the truth of Christianity?
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