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    Lightbulb The Oneness of Hashem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    The Trinity is the same God that the Jew's worshiped in the Old Testament.


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    That's a lie with the intent to vandalize the Jewish Faith. To us, the Oneness of HaShem is absolute.

    The Absolute Oneness of God

    Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

    Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

    More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

    More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

    Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

    Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

    Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    And how many scriptures do you have to mark out to come to that conclusion...
    Plenty if your accepting the New Testament. The scriptural support for the Trinity in the Old Testament is less clear of course, which is only natural, since the Trinity had not yet become a man.
    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    ... I find 1,479 scriptures where LORD and God are used, that means Jehovah God. They worshiped only one God and his name is Jehovah.

    Ask a Jew and they will tell you there are many gods, but only one Jehovah.
    Jehovah God is the Trinity. The Trinity is Jehovah God. Numbers 6:24-26 KJV


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    That's a lie with the intent to vandalize the Jewish Faith...
    Relax. Every religion with competing claim's has to call every other religions contradictory claim's a lie. If you thought it was true, you'd be a Christian. So all your saying is, "I'm not a Christian."

    Unless you believe in Jesus as creature's believe in there Creator.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    ...To us, the Oneness of HaShem is absolute...
    Same with the Trinity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    ...The Absolute Oneness of God

    Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"...
    The Trinity is absolutely unique.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    ...Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

    More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

    More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

    Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

    Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity...
    Huge straw man since the Trinity is 1 God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    ...Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
    The Trinity is not corporeal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    You have to believe in Jesus.
    What makes you think I don't?

    Jesus says He is Son of God and Savior of the world. I believe it.

    Why do you trin people add your own qualification for salvation even though Jesus did not?

    It sounds more like you are putting the word into Jesus' mouth.

    How arrogant of you, people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    What makes you think I don't?...
    I didn't say you don't. What I said to you was:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    And stop saying "Jesus' follower's," its creepy. 'Sound's like zombie's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    I didn't say you don't. What I said to you was:



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    You should complain to Jesus because He says to follow Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You should complain to Jesus because He says to follow Him.
    No, I'll complain to you. What do you have against calling yourself a "Christian?" Why do you have to call yourself out as different from the rest of us, by identifying as "Jesuses follower?" Are you saying your better than other's who only call ourselve's "Christian?"

    Did you call me arrogant?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    Relax. Every religion with competing claim's has to call every other religions contradictory claim's a lie. If you thought it was true, you'd be a Christian. So all your saying is, "I'm not a Christian."

    Unless you believe in Jesus as creature's believe in there Creator.
    Same with the Trinity.
    The Trinity is absolutely unique.
    Huge straw man since the Trinity is 1 God.
    The Trinity is not corporeal.

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    Really! Where did Jesus leave his body before he went back to heaven to sit at the right hand of God? Nowhere. He took his body with him and became different from the Father and the Holy Ghost. Now, how could three be one? That's a paradox that makes no sense. I have refuted that doctrine with The Absolute Oneness of HaShem. But you are not ready for the Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    No, I'll complain to you.
    I am only trying to follow what Jesus says. Jesus says to follow Him, and I am replying Him by saying, yes, Lord. I will follow you.

    So I am Jesus' follower.

    It is your problem with Jesus, not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    Really! Where did Jesus leave his body before he went back to heaven to sit at the right hand of God? Nowhere. He took his body with him and became different from the Father and the Holy Ghost. Now, how could three be one? That's a paradox that makes no sense. I have refuted that doctrine with The Absolute Oneness of HaShem. But you are not ready for the Truth.
    The Trinity explain's our Lord Jesus Christ perfectly well, and maintain's the absolute uniqueness and unity of God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I am only trying to follow what Jesus says. Jesus says to follow Him, and I am replying Him by saying, yes, Lord. I will follow you.

    So I am Jesus' follower.

    It is your problem with Jesus, not mine.
    All right. I was just asking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    All right. I was just asking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Emanuel View Post
    The Trinity explain's our Lord Jesus Christ perfectly well, and maintain's the absolute uniqueness and unity of God.


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    Again! How can exist absolute uniqueness when the Father is in Spirit and the son is in body? You must be kidding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Masada View Post
    Again! How can exist absolute uniqueness when the Father is in Spirit and the son is in body? You must be kidding!
    I don't know what you mean by "the Father is in Spirit."

    As for the Son, we talk about the hypostatic union between His divine essence or nature, and His human nature.

    All Is are dotted and all Ts are crossed. The doctrine has no hole's. Its air tight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruciform View Post
    I would say that one cannot knowingly deny or reject the Trinity and be considered a "Christian."
    You would also say would say that one cannot knowingly deny or reject the Pope and be considered a "Christian."

    The real question is not whether the Church of Rome will accept a person as a "Christian" but what does the Bible state as being necessary for salvation.
    Learn to read what is written.

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