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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    There are many things you do not have to believe in to be a Christian.

    You do not have to believe in the Devil, although you could.

    You do not have to believe in Noah's adventures, although you could.

    You do not have to believe in speaking in tongues, though you could.

    You do not have to believe that if you click your heels together, while wearing ruby slippers and repeating, "there's no place like home", though that has nothing to do with being a Christian.

    You do not have to believe that Peter walked on water.

    You do not have to believe in a trinity, and click your heels together.

    For clarification purposes, do you mean

    a. become a Christian, if so, in that case all you have to do is do Romans 10:9-10 to become a Christian

    b. live the lifestyle of a Christian as scripture teaches

    what are you asking?
    In other words, you don't believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. Why am I not surprised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Those involved in Philosophy were the Gnostics, they introduced the Sunday Sabbath, Trinitarianism, Hell, Messiah worship, authority of the Pope; the titles, Father, Lord, Rabbi, Teacher, Master.

    There were two different groups of Gnostic's during the first centuries AD.

    The first group of Gnostic's were opposed to Christianity.
    The other group of Gnostic's were not opposed, and joined Pagan notions to Christianity.

    The Gnostic Christians believed in Sunday Sabbath, authority of the Pope, and Trinitarianism, while the Judaizing Christians were opposed to such things as Catholicism [Universalism.]

    1 Tim 6:20
    "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called."

    The "oppositions of science falsely so called." is the opposition to Jewish and Pagan Gnosticism.

    Science is "gnosis" in the Greek.

    Philosophy and Gnosticism is the "profane and vain babblings" the Congregations had to combat.

    Albert Pike, a high prophet of Freemasonry, spoke on the origin of Trinitarianism. In his secret book "Morals and Dogma" he says of the Kabbalist "Jews were the direct precursors of Gnosticism," their Kabbalist doctrine is derived from their captivity while in Babylon.

    Philo of Alexandria was a Jew who played a key role in the development of the Trinitarian theory. Pike says, he was a Kabbalist "a initiate of the mysteries."

    Philo introduced the idea of a trinity to the Hellenistic Jews of Alexandria.
    Philo did not equate the three members of his trinity. He wrote that “the middle person of the three,” was Yahweh, the Father of the Universe, who is uncreated and unbegotten. God, the Father of the Universe was accompanied by two “body-guards”: the creative power and the royal power. God being greater than them. These ideas of Philo made a great impact on Christianity.

    Trinity
    In the fourth-century, Marcellus of Ancyra declared that the idea of the Godhead existing as three hypostases came from Plato, through the teachings of Valentinus. Valentinus is quoted as teaching that God is three, three prosopa (persons) called the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit:

    These men also taught three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. It was believed he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but he was discovered to have taken this from Hermes and Plato.

    Valentinus (also spelled Valentinius) (c.100 - c.160) was known as a early Christian Gnostic Theologian.

    It should be noted that Nag Hammadi library Sethian text such as Trimorphic Protennoia identify Gnosticism as also professing Father, Son and feminine wisdom Sophia or as Professor John D Turner denotes, God the Father, Sophia the Mother, and Logos the Son.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
    "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."
    Have you ever studied about Pagan trinities during the days of Abraham?

    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm
    Last edited by CherubRam; July 19th, 2015 at 09:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    Have you ever studied about Pagan trinities during the days of Abraham?

    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm
    I'll ask. ... So what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel1611 View Post
    I'll ask. ... So what?
    So you are following pagan religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel1611 View Post
    I'll ask. ... So what?
    So read the link.

    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm
    Last edited by CherubRam; July 19th, 2015 at 09:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    So read the link.

    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm
    I can't. It keeps saying link cannot be found. But I think I know where you're going with this. But I dont want to assume. So that's why I asked, so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    So you are following pagan religion.
    Says the watchtower. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel1611 View Post
    Says the watchtower. Lol.
    this is what you do when you cannot rebuttal.

    so typical.

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    Luke 1:35

    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.”

    Question 1: How many persons are seen in this verse?
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Luke 1:35

    And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.”

    Question 1: How many persons are seen in this verse?
    It is not saying anything about Father, Son and HS make one God.

    You project things to suit your doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    It is not saying anything about Father, Son and HS make one God.

    You project things to suit your doctrine.
    Great answer if you actually answered the question. The question is how many are in that verse?
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel1611 View Post
    I can't. It keeps saying link cannot be found. But I think I know where you're going with this. But I dont want to assume. So that's why I asked, so what?
    I tested this link to make sure it is working.
    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Great answer if you actually answered the question. The question is how many are in that verse?
    This is manipulative and trick question. It is not an honest question, dear.

    You are trinity believer, what else is new?

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    This link has been tested also.

    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    I tested this link to make sure it is working.
    The Origin of the Trinity: From Paganism to Constantine
    by Cher-El L. Hagensick


    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Content...%20Trinity.htm
    that is some lengthy link.

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