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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Jerry has said that multiple times. And yet he keeps responding to you.


    August 26th at 11:50 pm


    August 26th at 11:56


    August 27th at 12:02 am



    August 27th at 9:37 am


    August 28 at 11:38 am


    August 28th at 1:46 pm


    August 28th at 3:14 pm


    wow. i had no idea jerry uses that threat so much -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    This is what we read on the Grace Ambassadors site about "Justification" and the Jews who lived under the Law:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."


    That cannot possibly be correct because the following words spoken by the Lord Jesus to the Jews who lived under the Law make it plain that only "faith" was necessary for salvation:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).
    the views of grace ambassadors is not necessarily my view - i post the weekly email they send. raise your claims with the. the emails are all i know of the. and they preach 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 and 3,4 KJV -

    they say they are mid-acts dispensation and i like justin johnson's writing most of the time. i don't follow them or study with them -
    and i don't really read your posts thoroughly -
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    the views of grace ambassadors is not necessarily my view
    Good! I just wanted to warn you as well as others others about their teaching.

    i don't follow them or study with them -
    Good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Good! I just wanted to warn you as well as others others about their teaching.



    Good!
    your claims are baseless and your warnings are also. they become blessings.

    if you disagree with them, then they must be right
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    your claims are baseless and your warnings are also. they become blessings.

    if you disagree with them, then they must be right
    Then do you agree with what they treach here?:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."


    That cannot possibly be correct because the following words spoken by the Lord Jesus to the Jews who lived under the Law make it plain that only "faith" was necessary for salvation:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    Who do you believe?

    The Lord Jesus or the folks at the Grace Ambassadors site?

    Only one can be right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    GRACE AMBASSADORS MINISTRY UPDATE

    July 4th, 2015
    "Christ is (not yet) King!

    "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." - Zechariah 14:8-9

    This is one of hundreds of prophecies about the promised kingdom God will bring to earth in Jerusalem.

    With the multitude of religions, thousands of gods, a world run by sinners, and another upcoming election in America, can there be any doubt that this prophecy has not yet been fulfilled?

    Why then do people believe we are living in the kingdom now, and try to use kingdom doctrine to explain how God operates today?

    The truth is that the Lord Jesus Christ is the rightful heir of the earth, and is the King of Kings, but has not yet made the kingdoms of this world his footstool. He is not yet reigning on Earth.

    For nearly two millennia the Lord Jesus Christ has been building a new thing (not of this world), a new creature, called the body of Christ. It is not a nation, not given any laws, not under any earthly covenants, and wherein there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

    God is not bringing in His kingdom today. He has ordained ambassadors in this world with terms of peace and reconciliation.

    This church consists of those who have received the terms through Jesus Christ, and are accepted by God in Him.

    God's peace on earth will not be achieved through trying to establish the LORD as the king of all the earth. God's peace toward men today comes from hearing the word of reconciliation from the ambassadors of Christ.

    Stop trying to bring in Christ's political kingdom, and start being an ambassador preaching the terms of peace to a world Christ is coming to destroy.

    For His glory,"

    written and sent to my email from Grace Ambassadors by

    Justin "ambassador" Johnson
    I have posted with "Justin Johnson" His beliefs align with mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Then do you agree with what they treach here?:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."


    That cannot possibly be correct because the following words spoken by the Lord Jesus to the Jews who lived under the Law make it plain that only "faith" was necessary for salvation:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    Who do you believe?

    The Lord Jesus or the folks at the Grace Ambassadors site?

    Only one can be right!
    As long as they preach Paul's Gospel (The Grace Message) we can
    rely on their message. From what I've seen, they preach the truth.
    You just don't recognize truth when you hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    I have posted with "Justin Johnson" His beliefs align with mine.
    yes, i looked up mid-acts not long after joining here, once i found out what MAD is. several sites popped up and i went to that sight. i quit checking for months but i opened a gmail account and i only get mail from them and a few junk mail folks. i agree with very much that justin writes -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    As long as they preach Paul's Gospel (The Grace Message) we can
    rely on their message. From what I've seen, they preach the truth.
    You just don't recognize truth when you hear it.
    has jerry agreed with anybody ? about anything Biblical ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    has jerry agreed with anybody ? about anything Biblical ?
    Patrick, why didn't you answer my question?

    Do you believe that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved until they believed and did works?

    In other words, do you agree with this that is said on the Grace Ambassadors website concerning salvation under the law?:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Patrick, why didn't you answer my question?

    Do you believe that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved until they believed and did works?

    In other words, do you agree with this that is said on the Grace Ambassadors website concerning salvation under the law?:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."

    i highlighted the only thing that matters. belief or unbelief - consider this question answered and don't ever say i didn't answer it. that's your MO. then you follow with a question. state your views/beliefs and stop seeking agreement to dumb/trick questions -
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    i highlighted the only thing that matters. belief or unbelief - consider this question answered and don't ever say i didn't answer it. that's your MO. then you follow with a question. state your views/beliefs and stop seeking agreement to dumb/trick questions -
    Then you must think that this from the Grace Ambassadors site is in error:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."
    Last edited by Jerry Shugart; August 30th, 2015 at 08:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Then you must think that this from the Grace Ambassadors site is in error:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."
    prove it -
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    prove it -
    From what you said earlier I can only conclude that you think that the Jews who lived under thelaw to be saved was "faith" and faith alone. Here is what you said:

    i highlighted the only thing that matters. belief or unbelief - consider this question answered and don't ever say i didn't answer it. that's your MO. then you follow with a question. state your views/beliefs and stop seeking agreement to dumb/trick questions -
    Since you say that the only thing that matters is "belief or unbelief" then you obviously do not believe that it took faith and works, as the Grace Ambassadors folks teach:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."

    Since you say that the ONLY thing that matter is belief or unbelief then common sense dictates that you do not believe that the Jews who lived under the law were saved when they believed and then did works.

    You can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    From what you said earlier I can only conclude that you think that the Jews who lived under thelaw to be saved was "faith" and faith alone. Here is what you said:



    Since you say that the only thing that matters is "belief or unbelief" then you obviously do not believe that it took faith and works, as the Grace Ambassadors folks teach:

    "Salvation and the law; justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works."

    Since you say that the ONLY thing that matter is belief or unbelief then common sense dictates that you do not believe that the Jews who lived under the law were saved when they believed and then did works.

    You can't have it both ways.
    prove that Grace Ambassadors teaches Faith AND works for salvation. you lied, stop it -

    BESIDES, I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THREAD THAT THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY MY VIEWS, I ALSO REPEATED THAT AGAIN IN THE THREAD THAT I STARTED ABOUT GRACE AMABASSADORS. it's not my writing or assertments -
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