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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    the dome of the rock is preventing the third temple
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    the dome of the rock is preventing the daily sacrifice
    The dome did not "cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease".
    Details matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The dome did not "cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease".
    Details matter.
    I explained to him in POST #108 what the Abomination of Desolation is and to a lesser degree the LOGICAL TIMING of the event. I have recently taken an in depth look at the timing of the Abomination of Desolation so as to leave no doubt about the time of the AoD being an End Time Event:

    Guy on another site asked me to "PROVE" that the Abomination of Desolation did not happen in 70 AD


    The Abomination of Desolation CAN NOT be an event that happened in AD 70, and it can only be a End Time Event, and I can prove it via Scriptures, and I am sure I have proved it to you before.

    Daniel 11:45 and Daniel 12:1-2......Mathew Chapter 24.......and Revelation chapter 12 all come together to prove the Abomination of Desolation has to be an END TIME EVENT.

    Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. {This is the Abomination of Desolation here}

    12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    { Moving Fast Here......You see the Anti-Christ makes his abode in the Holy City in 11:45, then Micheal STANDS UP (Rev. 12) and at this time, AT THIS TIME, there will be a Time of Trouble like never before. Now look at verse 2, at about the same time, just before actually (Rapture) we see that those that sleep ARISE some to everlasting Life. So this TIME OF TROUBLE happens at the exact time of the Rapture, so it has to be an END TIME EVENT !! }

    Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand} 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    { Now please tell me you don't think the world ended in 70 AD !! Because the Holy Bible says those DAYS WILL BE SHORTENED else all Flesh will be destroyed. This is the EXACT SAME TIME (TROUBLES) as Daniel was speaking of, thus Jesus refers us to Daniel the Prophet. The Gospel must be preached unto all the world, then the END (TIMES) will come, thus when the Abomination of Desolation happens the Jews are to FLEE Judea, and they are told later in the chapter not to go out unto any False Prophets (where they wouldn't be protected) in the Desert or in Secret Chambers, and Jesus tells them to look for his COMING IN THE EASTERN SKIES !! Sounds like an END TIME EVENT doesn't it ? BECAUSE IT IS !! There is no doubt about it.}

    Revelation 12:6 And the woman(Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; (Michael Stands Up)and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    { This is VERY EASY to understand. All three passages correlate. Rev. 12 shows Israel Fleeing into the WILDERNESS at the exact time that Michael stands up and Kicks Satan out of Heaven. He comes down with GREAT WRATH, tries to get at Israel, but she is protected by God, thus he turns his anger to the REMNANT (Small part that's left) of her SEED (Jesus was the Seed) that keep the commandments of Jesus. As we see in Daniel, the Rapture happens at this time (actually just before, the Old Testament Prophets were never told in depth about the Rapture) as Daniel 12:2 says, so it CAN NOT BE 70 AD.........!!! Can not be 70 AD. The Time of Trouble in Daniel and Matthew are speaking bout the exact same time, and Jesus says the Abomination happens at this time. So its an END TIME EVENT, no matter how much people want it to be an AD 70 Event, it is not, and never could have been. Also, we see that Jesus says IF THOSE DAYS WERE NOT SHORTENED NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED......Again, it is NOT A 70 AD Event !!! }
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    The abomination of desolation is an end-time event. If I had to speculate - it might be something like the man of sin recovering the ark of the covenant and marching it into the most holy of a rebuilt temple where he sits on top in a throne of light and declares himself to be God. Then he commands everyone to worship the Jews and the law and puts everyone else to death. Just speculating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    so here is the exercise
    if
    you choose to accept it

    using biblegateway

    search for the word abomination and there will be three hits in daniel

    9:27, 11:31, and 12:11

    look at the first two in all english translations

    it is easy to do, just click on any single passage and look at the bottom of the page for it in all english translations



    now, can you tell if they refer to the temple or the temple place
    this is not easy



    now search

    he shall
    and
    they shall

    now it is easy



    he is the Antiochus IV Epiphanes
    the second beast of daniel

    they are the second beast of the apocalype
    the fourth beast of daniel
    here are some details
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    here are some details
    The abomination that maketh desolate, not the abomination that stands in the place already made desolate 2000 years ago.

    Details matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The abomination that maketh desolate, not the abomination that stands in the place already made desolate 2000 years ago.

    Details matter.
    (whoso readeth, let him understand
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    (whoso readeth, let him understand
    Thanks for watching.
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    will the real temple being symbolized in a mystery please give us some clues 1Cor 3:16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    will the real temple being symbolized in a mystery please give us some clues 1Cor 3:16.
    let them understand -
    sometimes a temple is a temple
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    (whoso readeth, let him understand



    STP is notorious for fracturing coherent pictures. There was just one; it was the figure in Dan 8 who leads the 'rebellion that desolates' in ch 9, which was the only reference Christ made about it and it took place in that generation as he said. That was also the rabbinic/priestly understanding of Dan 9, as Josephus says.

    Ie, STP does not focus on enough detail--unless it supports a separated theology system running two shows at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    STP is notorious for fracturing coherent pictures. There was just one; it was the figure in Dan 8 who leads the 'rebellion that desolates' in ch 9, which was the only reference Christ made about it and it took place in that generation as he said. That was also the rabbinic/priestly understanding of Dan 9, as Josephus says.

    Ie, STP does not focus on enough detail--unless it supports a separated theology system running two shows at once.
    Made up. The man of sin did not stand in the Holy Place and declare to be God, causing the sacrifice and oblation to cease. This is the abomination of desolation, and it has yet to occur.
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    Luke 17:20-21 is the temple that these things takes place in, literal stones and buildings made with hands has never been God's dwelling place Acts 17:24, 1Cor 3:16, you must experience it the world is on repeat nothing new under the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    The man of sin did not stand in the Holy Place
    why do you think this is the abomination?
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    why do you think this is the abomination?
    It is what scripture says it is. Man of sin erects an image in the temple, and demands to be worshiped as God.
    Open and shut case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    It is what scripture says it is. Man of sin erects an image in the temple, and demands to be worshiped as God.
    Open and shut case.
    can you show me where it says that?
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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