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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    It's not that we are in need of forgiveness of sins! We are ALREADY FORGIVEN ALL TRESPASSES!

    Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    When will you get that through your head?
    Yes, sister.

    It's ironic that the 2 Cor passage Jerry quoted is actually about religion.
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    David was a prophet.
    So what?

    That does not change the fact that even though he lived under the law he was saved apart from works:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered" (Ro.4:5-7).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So what?

    That does not change the fact that even though he lived under the law he was saved apart from works:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered" (Ro.4:5-7).
    I disagree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Yes, sister.

    It's ironic that the 2 Cor passage Jerry quoted is actually about religion.
    So it has nothing to do with the lives we live as Christians?:

    "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor.7:1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So it has nothing to do with the lives we live as Christians?:

    "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor.7:1).
    It is about our lives, but it specifically about religion making us filthy.
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    I disagree with you.
    So you do not think that this passage is saying that David's faith was counted to him for righteousness?:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered" (Ro.4:5-7).

    If that is true then why would Paul include him in his discourse which is speaking about salvation by grace apart from works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    It is about our lives, but it specifically about religion making us filthy.
    Where is your evidence of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So you do not think that this passage is saying that David's faith was counted to him for righteousness?:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered" (Ro.4:5-7).

    If that is true then why would Paul include him in his discourse which is speaking about salvation by grace apart from works?
    3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.



    Abraham, and by extension those in the Body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Where is your evidence of that?
    2 Cor 6
    16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

    18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



    The verses leading up to your quote in 2 Cor 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are the mess because you just IGNORED what I said. Before anyone cold be baptized with water they had to first believe, as as witnessed by the following exchange between Philip and the eunuch:

    "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:36-37).

    By the time when the Jew believed he was already saved:
    No no, that is not what happened. Think, what happened next between Philip and the eunuch?
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    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    2 Cor 6
    16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

    18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



    The verses leading up to your quote in 2 Cor 7.
    Exactly. Those are the promises.

    Come out from among them and be ye separate. Abstain from all appearance of evil. As Paul states here...the very God of peace sanctify you wholly...faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

    1 Thess. 5:21-24 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So it has nothing to do with the lives we live as Christians?:

    "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor.7:1).
    do you think that's possible jerre ? to cleanse OURSELVES from ALL filthiness of the flesh AND spirit ? have you done that and do it each day ? each hour ? have you PERFECTED HOLINESS in the fear of God ? did Paul say that he did it ?

    or did he say - Let us ? let's - let us -
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Abraham, and by extension those in the Body.
    How easily you just ignore what Paul said about David:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered" (Ro.4:5-7).

    Here the Greek word translated "even" is a conjunction which ties what is said at verse five to what is said in the next verse.

    So Paul ties these words to David:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Ro.4:5).

    So we can understand that David's faith was counted for righteousness.

    But according to your ideas Paul just threw David's name in theverymiddle of the context of his discourse even though David had nothing to do with his faith being counted for righteousness.

    Moses also became heir to the righteousness which is by faith:

    "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith" (Heb.11:7).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    How easily you just ignore what Paul said about David:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    No no, that is not what happened. Think, what happened next between Philip and the eunuch?
    Then the eunuch was baptized with water. But again, before he was baptized with water he had to believe.

    And everyone who believes is saved:

    "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life" (Jn.3:15-16).

    So since the eunuch believed in the Lord Jesus he received eternal life.

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