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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Are you denying the truth that Noah became a heir of the righteousness which is by faith and faith alone
    You should consider:

    salvation by faith

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    salvation by grace through faith
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You should consider:

    salvation by faith

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    salvation by grace through faith
    STP once again runs and hides from this verse which declares that the Jews who lived under the law were not saved by faith plus works:

    "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).

    Perhaps STP is so uninformed that he is not aware that "grace" and "works" are mutually exclusive.

    Evidently the teachers within the Neo-MAD community are not even aware of that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    STP once again runs and hides from this verse which declares that the Jews who lived under the law were saved by faith plus works:


    don't worry Jerry I know you don't believe it

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    Throughout history men have been saved in only one way--by grace through faith."

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    Whenever Jerry goes into his tired, predictable, old, obnoxious routine, just post page one of this link:

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    Jews in the old testament if they had faith and kept the law
    would be saved
    Here is what the Lord Jesus said to the Jews of the Old Testament who lived under the law:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    STP once again runs and hides from this verse which declares that the Jews who lived under the law were not saved by faith plus works:

    "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).

    Perhaps STP is so uninformed that he is not aware that "grace" and "works" are mutually excusive.

    Evidently the teachers within the Pseudo-MAD community are not even aware of that fact.
    That is certainly true in this dispensation, and according to the revelation of the mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    That is certainly true in this dispensation, and according to the revelation of the mystery.
    Paul used king David as an example of a Jew who lived under the law but yet he was saved apart from works:

    "What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:1-8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart;434
    [INDENT
    "And such were some of you: but ye washed yourselves, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God " (1 Cor.6:11; RV, Marginal Note).[/INDENT]

    Hi Jerry and here is the best translation of 1 Cor 6;11 !!

    1 Cor 6:11 , " And some of you were these things . But you yourselves were WASHED , but you were Sanctified , BUT you were declared RIGHTEOUS in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the SPIRIT of our God .

    #1 , Tell me WHO can wash away his SINS !!


    #2 Who can wash away his sins and then be SANCTIFIED ?

    #3 , Who can wash away his SINS and then declare himself RIGHTEOU !!

    #4 So you are telling me that PAUL WASHED his SINS AWAY ??

    #5 ,So how was PAUL SAVED IN Acts 9:6 Grace or by WATER ??

    TELL ME , SO TELL ME ??

    DAN P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Paul used king David as an example of a Jew who lived under the law but yet he was saved apart from works:

    "What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:1-8).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    So you are telling me that PAUL WASHED his SINS AWAY ??
    "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

    It cannot be denied that Paul was to play some part in what Ananias told him. In his commentary on this verse Sir Robert Anderson writes:

    "The Apostle records the words which Ananias addressed to him (Paul) at his conversion: 'Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord'...His meaning is clear: 'Arise and be baptized, and turn away from your evil courses, calling on His name'" [emphasis mine] (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 230-231).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

    It cannot be denied that Paul was to play some part in what Ananias told Paul. In his commentary on this verse Sir Robert Anderson writes:

    "The Apostle records the words which Ananias addressed to him (Paul) at his conversion: 'Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord'...His meaning is clear: 'Arise and be baptized, and turn away from your evil courses, calling on His name'" [emphasis mine] (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 230-231).
    So Ananias was just using a figure of speech?
    Not a single cluster of living fruit was, or ever will be, harvested from the tree of legality. Law can only produce “dead works,” from which we need to have conscience purged just as much as from “wicked works.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    So Ananias was just using a figure of speech?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi Jerry and here is the best translation of 1 Cor 6;11 !!

    1 Cor 6:11 , " And some of you were these things . But you yourselves were WASHED , but you were Sanctified , BUT you were declared RIGHTEOUS in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the SPIRIT of our God .

    #1 , Tell me WHO can wash away his SINS !!


    #2 Who can wash away his sins and then be SANCTIFIED ?

    #3 , Who can wash away his SINS and then declare himself RIGHTEOU !!

    #4 So you are telling me that PAUL WASHED his SINS AWAY ??

    #5 ,So how was PAUL SAVED IN Acts 9:6 Grace or by WATER ??

    TELL ME , SO TELL ME ??

    DAN P

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    So Ananias was just using a figure of speech?
    Of course he was. Or else we must believe that Paul could actually wash away his sins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

    It cannot be denied that Paul was to play some part in what Ananias told Paul. In his commentary on this verse Sir Robert Anderson writes:

    "The Apostle records the words which Ananias addressed to him (Paul) at his conversion: 'Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord'...His meaning is clear: 'Arise and be baptized, and turn away from your evil courses, calling on His name'" [emphasis mine] (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 230-231).

    Hi , Jerry , and how was PAUL SAVED , Acts 9:6 by Water or Grace , Gal 1:15 ??


    Ananis knew only water Baptism , but why did not Jesus say Repent and be Baptized ??

    dan p

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