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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Not necessary for salvation. The Lord Jesus told those of the circumcision that if they believed then they were saved:
    you know Jesus was not born yet when these words were given right

    Gen 17:14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."

    why do you keep backdating changes to how people were saved

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    you know Jesus was not born yet when these words were given right
    Did you forget the subject of this thread which is the rite of water baptism of Acts 2:38? You do know that the Lord Jesus had said the following words to the Jews who lived under the law prior to that baptism, don't you?:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    Why should anyone believe that those Jews had to submit to the rite of baptism to be saved since the Savior Himselfsaid that if they "believed" they were saved?

    why do you keep backdating changes to how people were saved
    Here is how Paul says that David was saved and anyone in their right mind can understand that being circumcised played no part in his salvation:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:5-8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Did you forget the subject of this thread which is the rite of water baptism of Acts 2:38? You do know that the Lord Jesus had said the following words to the Jews who lived under the law prior to that baptism, don't you?:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    Why should anyone believe that those Jews had to submit to the rite of baptism to be saved since the Savior Himselfsaid that if they "believed" they were saved?
    Jews inherited salvation up until Jesus started his ministry

    Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


    Here is how Paul says that David was saved and anyone in their right mind can understand that being circumcised played no part in his salvation:

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:5-8).
    David experienced grace for his adultery and murder
    2Sa_12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.


    Gen 17:14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."

    David was not cut off from his people

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    Jews inherited salvation up until Jesus started his ministry
    You are clueless! And of course I never expected you to believe what the Lord Jesus said at John 5:24. All you are doing is trying to prove what He said there is in error.

    You refuse to believe what He said there because if you did believe it then you would have to swallow your pride and admit that the Jews only had to believe to be saved:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone who will just deny the words of the Lord Jesus there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are clueless! And of course I never expected you to believe what the Lord Jesus said at John 5:24. All you are doing is trying to prove what He said there is in error.
    how your using it is in error

    kinda like people misusing

    Psa 82:6 I said, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;


    It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone who will just deny the words of the Lord Jesus there.
    Gen 17:14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    how your using it is in error
    That is ridiculous and of course you offered nothing in the way of proof that they way I used it is in error:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    I said that those words were spoken to the Jews who lived under the law. Do you deny that what I said is the truth?

    And His words spoken to them are clear. The only thing He said that was required for salvation was to believe.

    Do you deny that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    That is ridiculous and of course you offered nothing in the way of proof that they way I used it is in error:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    I said that those words were spoken to the Jews who lived under the law. Do you deny that what I said is the truth?

    And His words spoken to them are clear. The only thing He said that was required for salvation was to believe.

    Do you deny that?


    1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?
    I have already quoted what the Lord Jesus said to the Jews who lived under the law but you just refuse to believe what He said:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    I said that those words were spoken to the Jews who lived under the law. Do you deny that what I said is the truth?

    And His words spoken to them are clear. The only thing He said that was required for salvation was to believe.

    Do you deny that?

    Now I am sure that you will not answer my questions and instead you will run and hide from them. Not only that, but you try to change the subject to something that happens thousands of years before the baptism of Acts 2:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    My question to you is if submitting to the rite of water baptism at Acts 2:38 was necessary for salvation?
    No, it was necessary for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38 KJV). Their salvation is future (Acts 3:19-21 KJV, Romans 11:26-27 KJV, 1 Peter 1:9-13 KJV).
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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