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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    If we ALWAYS walk in forgiveness, we're walking in love, which is walking in God's Presence, since He is the love that we feel. Anything you know, feel or have even heard about Love is God. He is the Love you feel. He is the Goodness. He is Holy. Thank God for His Goodness. Thank God for His Holiness. Thank God for His Great Love!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMJerusha View Post
    No, by the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ, YOU stop!

    "For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." Matthew 6:14-15

    You shouldn't try to mix law and grace, it only makes you look like a fool. The law always says IF and grace never does. The law is performance based and grace is a gift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    True believers have already been given eternal life, and that life is in the Son (1 Jn.5:11).

    And the Lord Jesus said that all those who to whom He gives eternal life will never perish (Jn.10:28)..

    So at this moment anyone who truly believes already has eternal life in the Son and will never perish.

    Jamie, that means that all true believers possess eternal security.

    Rejoice!
    'Pisteo' the Greek word translated to believe, has an implication of trust, this is where the heresy comes in, trusting is much more than believing. Im learning to trust and in this I rejoice... He's teaching me. He taught me to forgive by trusting Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Why would your pattern for forgiving another come from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? It's not written to anyone in the dispensation of the grace of God. It is written TO the lost sheep of the house of Israel, to whom Jesus was sent while on earth (Matthew 15:24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV).

    Our pattern for forgiving one another is that we should because God for Christ's sake hath forgiven us.

    Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

    And as to God not forgiving us our trespasses, just how many of your trespasses do you believe are not forgiven already (Colossians 2:13 KJV)?

    I'm surprised at the OP coming from you, Psalmist. I thought you knew better; especially considering you are a chaplain. You really need to get into Romans through Philemon and consider what Paul says (2 Timothy 1:13 KJV, 2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV).
    It's been a while since I've seen a more shining example of the hubris that is Dispensationalism.
    Last edited by fzappa13; June 13th, 2015 at 02:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You shouldn't try to mix law and grace, it only makes you look like a fool. The law always says IF and grace never does. The law is performance based and grace is a gift.

    Yes, Grace does say "IF" and that "IF" also came out of Yeshua's own mouth. John 15:6 Do you think Yeshua the fool, as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fzappa13 View Post
    It's been a while since I've seen a more shining example of the hubris that is Dispensationalism.
    don't think they will forgive you for that
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Gigliotti View Post
    'Pisteo' the Greek word translated to believe, has an implication of trust, this is where the heresy comes in, trusting is much more than believing. Im learning to trust and in this I rejoice... He's teaching me. He taught me to forgive by trusting Him.
    This is a beautiful insight of how His grace works in us and for us. Yes, trust IS the key here. We've GOT to TRUST Him in all of it. When we do He mooooooves in un-believeably inexplicable ways.

    Thank you for your post. I will be meditating on it this morning, and thanking God and praising Him. Just this morning, out of the blue i was prompted to reconcile with a family member before i read your post. God's timing is inexplicable and perfect.

    God bless you brother in Christ and beloved son of the Most High God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    don't think they will forgive you for that
    It is one of the more interesting aspects of the O.P. that I've tussled with over the years ... deciding whether or not we have to forgive someone if they haven't asked for said forgiveness. But, at the end of the day, somebody's got to make the first move or forgiveness, much less reconciliation, never happens I suppose.

    Jesus offered many fine suggestions (some might even be so bold as to say commandments) concerning being reconciled to your brother along the way for those that will receive it. The problem is certain folks have embraced a theology that posits Jesus was talking to them but not about them.

    ... and then there is the matter of youth having the temerity to lecture their elders. I have noted that one of the hallmarks of this generation is a lack of respect for the council of years.
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fzappa13 View Post
    It is one of the more interesting aspects of the O.P. that I've tussled with over the years ... deciding whether or not we have to forgive someone if they haven't asked for said forgiveness.
    I can't resist this

    there is no scripture that suggests that we have to wait for them to ask
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    I can't resist this

    there is no scripture that suggests that we have to wait for them to ask
    Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee (Dispy) stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    Think the "Pharisee" is forgiven?
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fzappa13 View Post
    Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee (Dispy) stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    Think the "Pharisee" is forgiven?
    whoa!

    you are confusing the two

    you have to ask
    if
    you want to be forgiven by God
    but
    you must forgive others without them asking for it
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    whoa!

    you are confusing the two

    you have to ask
    if
    you want to be forgiven by God
    but
    you must forgive others without them asking for it
    Really? I guess I missed that verse.
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    whoa!

    you are confusing the two

    you have to ask
    if
    you want to be forgiven by God
    but
    you must forgive others without them asking for it
    Would you mind giving an example of forgiving someone without their asking for it?

    Thank you kindly.

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    Col:3 13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brinny View Post
    Would you mind giving an example of forgiving someone without their asking for it?

    Thank you kindly.
    "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do?"
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle.

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