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    Quote Originally Posted by fzappa13 View Post
    No, actually you routinely gripe about grammar ...
    I really don't. If you search for it you'll reconfigure the opinion. I suspect you saw something and took it more seriously than offered and after I pushed back on the grammar bit (as much to illustrate how I would be if that was the case as anything else) you kept going in the wrong direction with it.

    At any rate, when I got this, instead of what I'd hoped for...
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    Oh, come on now big boy ... if you can dish it out you can take it.
    I left it. Until you responded to that post three times while I left it.

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    Another aspect of your online participation that I have noted is that you seem to suffer from amnesia when confronted with past offerings and want others to remind you of what you have said
    When someone declares I do this or that, especially when they infer the habitual, I look for the quotes they offer to sustain it. That's a reasonable request. And I can't have amnesia about a declaration that has no particular attached.

    I'm not your Court Reporter
    Well, if you're comfortable playing judge and jury. Asking for some of the evidence seems reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I really don't. If you search for it you'll reconfigure the opinion. I suspect you saw something and took it more seriously than offered and after I pushed back on the grammar bit (as much to illustrate how I would be if that was the case as anything else) you kept going in the wrong direction with it.

    At any rate, when I got this, instead of what I'd hoped for...

    I left it. Until you responded to that post three times while I left it.


    When someone declares I do this or that, especially when they infer the habitual, I look for the quotes they offer to sustain it. That's a reasonable request. And I can't have amnesia about a declaration that has no particular attached.


    Well, if you're comfortable playing judge and jury. Asking for some of the evidence seems reasonable.
    I call you out for your grammatical niggling when confronted with an indefensible point and then you grouse about my grammar in another thread ... I think the point sufficiently made. The defense rests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fzappa13 View Post
    I call you out for your grammatical niggling
    So it was a call out post. The chuckle at the end was a mask? Or one of those self-satisfied bits a few people seem to enjoy....too bad. But, again, it's just not something I rush about the place doing, which is the reason examples aren't leaping to your fingertips. When I note grammar it's usually after someone has ridden the "smarter than you" high horse into the sunset while making the mistake.

    And that just has to be done.

    when confronted with an indefensible point
    I agree that your point was indefensible, which was why I asked you to stop declaring things and give examples, which I knew you couldn't.

    and then you grouse about my grammar in another thread
    No, that was me showing you an easy example of me not doing what you suggested was my meat around here, while returning the repartee...well, I though that's what it was...ah, well. It wasn't grousing. If I was LH and that was my interest I'd have corrected it and you there.

    ... I think the point sufficiently made. The defense rests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    When I note grammar it's usually after someone has ridden the "smarter than you" high horse into the sunset while making the mistake.
    "It is not intelligence but intellectual pride that shuts people out of the kingdom." ~ John MacArthur

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    "It is not intelligence but intellectual pride that shuts people out of the kingdom." ~ John MacArthur
    When I see someone write, "Your to stupid to bother with," I suppose you could say my noting the difficulty is one way to lance that pride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    When I see someone write, "Your to stupid to bother with," ...
    Proof please (Eph 4:14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Proof please (Eph 4:14).
    Those things really are catchy.

    Anway, proof of what? It's funny when someone proudly declares their superiority while making an error in how they manage it.

    I assumed that was your point, given that otherwise you'd just be throwing out an ad hom and we know you hate those, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    ...[P]roof of what?
    Proof of someone stating this (Eph 4:14).

    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    It's funny when someone proudly declares their superiority...
    Proof please (Eph 4:14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Proof of someone stating this (Eph 4:14).
    Seriously, stop that. Else (and bless your heart) sometimes when you advance a general illustration you use quotes as part of it to avoid confusion in construction. As in that's the sort of thing/in illustration that I'd approach in terms of grammatical error, because it essentially begs for it. I doubt anyone would make both of those errors in a sentence of that sort, though not everyone catches the your/you're bit so I put a to/too error in just in case. If I literally quote someone I literally quote/link to them and name them.

    Hope that helps.

    I see you added a part two. Well, it might not be funny to you. I can't prove it's funny, but a lot of satire has been aimed at emperors sans clothes and the like, so I think most people get it. If you don't, well, you don't and, again, bless you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Seriously, stop that...
    You have no proof of members writing to tell you that you're: "too stupid to bother with" who "declare their superiority". Do you believe others thinks this of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    You have no proof of members writing to tell you that you're: "too stupid to bother with" who "declare their superiority".
    I never said anyone literally said that, so I don't need proof. And I never said anyone aimed that at me, though it might have happened. I was noting the rare instance when I'd be interested in a grammatical comment. I know it's happened a few times. That is, I recall making a point about saying, in essence, "If you're going to infer or declare your intellectual superiority you might want to run a spell check before you hit submit." That sort of thing. I suppose a few who read the Gazette and/or me regularly would recall the notion too, but it's not the sort of thing that I write in a margin somewhere to pull up. Mostly, fz decided that I regularly make a point of criticizing grammar. I don't, but I could think of an example where I'd make an exception and I recalled that sort of thing, generally. So I noted it.

    Do you believe others thinks this of you?
    I mostly find that people who read in an aggressive sort of intellectual superiority, as opposed to reading an expression of it like, "I won't waste my time on you idiots!" (and I have read something like that around here recently) aren't going to be reasoned out of a thing they weren't reasoned into.

    If someone want's to lay a particular charge at my feet then they should set out the particular language that I used in support and I'd be willing to talk about it. Heck, I've apologized for some of the language I've used here over my years, so I don't believe I'm incapable of making an error on any number of fronts. I'm sure I make grammatical errors too, though not very often. It comes with writing online and in real time and, again, outside of formal papers not being particularly concerned with it. That is, you can't really argue someone out of a subjective impression. All you can do is speak to your intent and they'll either believe you or they won't.

    Hope this answers your question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So I wrote: I'm not really particularly interested in chasing people down with a red pen though...
    I have my pen always at the ready...

    1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.
    2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
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    13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
    14. One should NEVER generalize.
    15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
    16. Don't use no double negatives.
    17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
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    19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
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    And finally...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    [You have no proof of members writing to tell you that you're: "too stupid to bother with" who "declare their superiority". Do you believe others thinks this of you?] I never said anyone literally said that...
    TH:
    When I see someone write, "You're to stupid to bother with,"...
    It's funny when someone proudly declares their superiority...

    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    "...so I don't need proof."
    Either you don't know proper grammar or you intentionally misrepresent others (example 1, example 2). Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    I have my pen always at the ready...

    1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.
    2. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
    3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.
    4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
    5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat)
    6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.
    7. Be more or less specific.
    8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.
    9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies.
    10. No sentence fragments.
    11. Contractions aren't necessary and shouldn't be used.
    12. Foreign words and phrases are not apropos.
    13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous.
    14. One should NEVER generalize.
    15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
    16. Don't use no double negatives.
    17. Eschew ampersands & abbreviations, etc.
    18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.
    19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake.
    20. The passive voice is to be ignored.
    21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words however should be enclosed in commas.
    22. Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice.
    23. Kill all exclamation points!!!
    24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.
    25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth shaking ideas.
    26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed.
    27. Eliminate quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
    28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a thousand times: Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly.
    29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.
    30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
    31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
    32. Who needs rhetorical questions?
    33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

    And finally...
    34. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    ...Either you don't know proper grammar or you intentionally misrepresent others
    Here's the easiest way to rebut that, name the person or persons I misrepresented. You won't because I wasn't quoting anyone, which is why I didn't attribute it. I was cobbling a general example of what would invite a grammatical comment by me.

    Next, note the rule of grammar I violated in doing that.

    Edit: working on nearly half an hour later...(mic drop).
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