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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    May I ask if "common sense" can fathom out what I wrote in the previous post #73?
    Read my response to lighthouse about that very thing. (I believe it was in post #70) Common sense has to be built off of the knowledge given by the Spirit of truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardima View Post
    Read my response to lighthouse about that very thing. (I believe it was in post #70) Common sense has to be built off of the knowledge given by the Spirit of truth.
    Is the Spirit of Truth any different than truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Is the Spirit of Truth any different than truth?
    It certainly is. Truth is what the Spirit of Truth (the Holy Spirit) gives us; and that truth will never contradict the nature of God or His inspired scriptures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardima View Post
    It certainly is. Truth is what the Spirit of Truth (the Holy Spirit) gives us; and that truth will never contradict the nature of God or His inspired scriptures.
    Again, wrong conclusion to wrong thinking. The Holy Spirit gives no such thing. If He did you wouldn't need Him after such a gift. That is not how a relationship with God functions. I'll let you think on that while also thinking about what it means to surrender your life to Him in the way He commands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Again, wrong conclusion to wrong thinking. The Holy Spirit gives no such thing. If He did you wouldn't need Him after such a gift.
    Try reading the gospel according to John chapters 14 - 16 and get back to me. The Holy Spirit teaches the truth, and only the truth that the Father wishes us to know at certain points in our spiritual growth. The more mature we grow as Christians; the more truth is revealed to us by the Spirit of Truth.

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    That is not how a relationship with God functions.
    That is a bit vague. What have I claimed about how any relationship with God works that you object to?

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    I'll let you think on that while also thinking about what it means to surrender your life to Him in the way He commands.
    My life is a gift from God though the marvelous work of Jesus Christ. I cannot surrender that which is not mine. I may try to grasp at it at times so that it may seem as though I have control, but God has complete sovereignty and all things are going just as He has planned
    according to His will.
    Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardima View Post
    Try reading the gospel according to John chapters 14 - 16 and get back to me. The Holy Spirit teaches the truth, and only the truth that the Father wishes us to know at certain points in our spiritual growth. The more mature we grow as Christians; the more truth is revealed to us by the Spirit of Truth.
    Revealed? Teaches? They are not gifts.

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    [QUOTE=Ardima;4315044]

    That is a bit vague. What have I claimed about how any relationship with God works that you object to?
    No relationship with God can function when built upon the foundation of "presumption."


    My life is a gift from God though the marvelous work of Jesus Christ. I cannot surrender that which is not mine.
    Then what is it you presume to have been "gifted"?

    I may try to grasp at it at times so that it may seem as though I have control, but God has complete sovereignty and all things are going just as He has planned according to His will.
    You have no and can have no clue as to what you presume upon.

    If you say God has gifted you something, anything, that is what He wants back from you that He might use it, reveal it FROM His gifted life within you, i.e., as a government that explains Himself as Jesus exampled. But you say you have nothing. __ I believe that. I say it is not a gift but a responsibility we have been "gifted", if we say we have been born again.

    "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" 1 Peter 2:9 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    No relationship with God can function when built upon the foundation of "presumption."
    Who are we to judge any man's relationship with God? My relationship with God is built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and His Gospel. To build on any other foundation is to build on sand.

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    Then what is it you presume to have been "gifted"?
    I have been "gifted" Jesus Christ, and in him I have my life.



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    You have no and can have no clue as to what you presume upon.
    You keep talking about presumptions you think I have all the while you continually refuse to address your own presumptions.

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    If you say God has gifted you something, anything, that is what He wants back from you that He might use it, reveal it FROM His gifted life within you.
    Of course God wants back the life that He has gifted us. The whole reason for giving it to us in the first place is that we might use it to glorify Him in all good works. We cannot do this by simply believing the Gospel; we must also live the Gospel.


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    i.e., as a government that explains Himself as Jesus exampled. But you say you have nothing. __ I believe that.
    No, you say I have nothing. You are treading dangerous waters in your own relationship with God when you begin to attack another's.

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    I say it is not a gift but a responsibility we have been "gifted", if we say we have been born again.
    Now you sound Catholic. Jesus Christ is the gift, the only gift, we have from God. Everything else we presume as gifts are only found in Christ. God chooses who and when Christ is revealed to each individual.

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    "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" 1 Peter 2:9 (KJV)
    What is the first and last part of the verse you quoted? Chosen... Called you out... Thank you for proving my point. It is amazing how you seem to post the exact verses that I need. With God there are no coincidences...
    Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardima View Post
    Who are we to judge any man's relationship with God? My relationship with God is built on the foundation of Jesus Christ and His Gospel. To build on any other foundation is to build on sand.

    I have been "gifted" Jesus Christ, and in him I have my life.


    You keep talking about presumptions you think I have all the while you continually refuse to address your own presumptions.



    Of course God wants back the life that He has gifted us. The whole reason for giving it to us in the first place is that we might use it to glorify Him in all good works. We cannot do this by simply believing the Gospel; we must also live the Gospel.


    No, you say I have nothing. You are treading dangerous waters in your own relationship with God when you begin to attack another's.

    Now you sound Catholic. Jesus Christ is the gift, the only gift, we have from God. Everything else we presume as gifts are only found in Christ. God chooses who and when Christ is revealed to each individual.



    What is the first and last part of the verse you quoted? Chosen... Called you out... Thank you for proving my point. It is amazing how you seem to post the exact verses that I need. With God there are no coincidences...

    <use His gift to. . . grow up>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    You have a problem with many people here on TOL. Perhaps its time that you see that you are the common factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardima View Post
    You have a problem with many people here on TOL. Perhaps its time that you see that you are the common factor.
    Problem or confirming words and attitudes Jesus prophesied?

    I take it you read the link that you conclude that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Problem or confirming words and attitudes Jesus prophesied?

    I take it you read the link that you conclude that?
    This coming from someone who denies the need of the Gospel of Jesus Christ... No Jesus; not righteousness. No Jesus; no hope.... period
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardima View Post
    This coming from someone who denies the need of the Gospel of Jesus Christ... No Jesus; not righteousness. No Jesus; no hope.... period
    You have convinced me you are a lost cause; a broken record; a very wilfully ignorant person. You are right to the exclusion of all scriptural evidence that would have you know the truth Why your obstinacy and what you hope to gain by your willful ignorance is, beyond me..

    I have nothing in common with you, not even Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    You have convinced me you are a lost cause; a broken record; a very wilfully ignorant person. You are right to the exclusion of all scriptural evidence that would have you know the truth Why your obstinacy and what you hope to gain by your willful ignorance is, beyond me..

    I have nothing in common with you, not even Jesus.
    It is sad to hear that you do not have Jesus because no Jesus; not righteousness. No Jesus; no hope.

    I do not back down on the Truth that the Spirit has shown me. The Truth is the entire Bible is focused on God's Love; the the Love of God and the Love for God. The theme of the entire Bible is the Gospel of Jesus Christ in which we truly know the Love of God. If you cannot view scripture through this lens then you are blind to the truth. The OT is filled with those who have faith in the coming Savior and what He will do. The NT is filled with those who have faith in the risen Savior and what He has done. Either way they are justified (made righteous) by God because of their faith in Jesus Christ the Savior of all men, especially those who believe.
    Christ is the Gospel; Christ is our righteousness; Christ is our hope!!! No Jesus; no righteousness. No Jesus; no hope!

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