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    What is this, WBM??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    What is this, WBM??
    responding to His questions he asked earlier

    and i just learned how to put the qoute line in there for no confusion.

    took me long enough.. to learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Word based mystic View Post
    responding to His questions he asked earlier

    and i just learned how to put the qoute line in there for no confusion.

    took me long enough.. to learn
    LOL! I have been on TOL for years and I still don't know how to "rep" a person.

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    LOL! I have been on TOL for years and I still don't know how to "rep" a person.
    you can rep me anytime

    top right of the box of each comment (rep) beside the red dot which i assume is bad rep clik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    For what reason did He choose is the issue, don't you think? Could He not have to prove Lucifer wrong?
    Because He wanted to.

    What does Lucifer have to do with it?

    WBM-
    You need to fix your formatting. I can't even quote your post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Because He wanted to.

    What does Lucifer have to do with it?

    WBM-
    You need to fix your formatting. I can't even quote your post.
    ahh i knew i was doing something wrong. i will delete and reset.

    still learning that was my first try

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    Quote Originally Posted by Word based mystic View Post
    ahh i knew i was doing something wrong. i will delete and reset.

    still learning that was my first try
    It's all good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    It's all good.
    =Lighthouse;4281900]It's all good.
    ahh i get it now

    the power of editing buahahahhah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Word based mystic View Post
    I said God can choose to limit or not limit. I believe He as the Firstborn/Word limited himself so as to make viable true relationship with man and true interaction. Surprise, pleasure, joy, desire for love and vice versa. not that God needs those but that He desires.

    As the Father who is Spirit He knows all (period).
    The Son has access to The Fathers knowledge but has limited his own knowledge to enable relationship and free will response of love, desire, passion and worship.

    1 cor 2:10-11 for the Spirit ((searches)) all things, (even) the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? (Even so) the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God
    God tells us, in the Bible, the limits of existence and how His knowledge relates.

    I said. I think that is a mute point. Anything that can exist is known. And God is both capable of creating anything as well as knows everything.
    Moot, not mute. Just an FYI.

    Certainly all that exists is knowable. That does not mean it is definitely known. God is capable of being ignorant if He so chooses in regard to that which exists.

    And His ability to create that which He so desires is moot in this conversation as the issue is what actually exists vs. what does not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    God tells us, in the Bible, the limits of existence and how His knowledge relates.


    Moot, not mute. Just an FYI.

    Certainly all that exists is knowable. That does not mean it is definitely known. God is capable of being ignorant if He so chooses in regard to that which exists.

    And His ability to create that which He so desires is moot in this conversation as the issue is what actually exists vs. what does not.
    i agree with what you say. And very few would entertain these thoughts and usually label you as blasphemous.

    mute/moot lol been a long time since i mispelled. lol i meant misspelled.
    I was listening to mutemath band so. jk.

    God is capable of choosing ignorance of a subject for whatever purposes He has.

    please elaborate on your quote below

    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    God tells us, in the Bible, the limits of existence and how His knowledge relates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Because He wanted to.

    What does Lucifer have to do with it?

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    If you don't know I have no intertest in further discussion.

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    lucifers rebellion in the universe and His wickedness need to not only be judged but also judged and corrected as a standard by mans obedience and right relationship with God

    thus man will end up judging even angels.
    Standard.
    overcoming.
    Loving response to the creator
    and more.

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    [QUOTE=Word based mystic;4281925]
    lucifers rebellion in the universe and His wickedness need to not only be judged but also judged and corrected as a standard by mans obedience and right relationship with God
    I probably would use the word "rectified" instead of "corrected" because God's creation was subjected to futility and futility [by man's will] won out. It sealed man's disposition to it without an advocate. It was not sin he was sealed to but rather the power of sin that easy access to his soul. Jesus "rectified" that situation with His Life and death. It is called "Redemption".

    The lesson to be learned is that God cannot not go against the will of man for His purpose, set in Himself, to be a satisfaction to Him and to the Angels watching. Man must willingly overcome that which is against God in his personal life, i.e., the issue of vanity.. The power of God that assists him can only be of a relationship between him and God. This love relationship comes by the new birth imputed through the choosing by Jesus Christ that the one chosen might see the government of God to desire it, to sell all and "buy" it.

    Warfare is realized in this that only strengthens as progress is made by that one who understands, has counted the cost and who advances his life towards the "Brotherhood" of Jesus Christ set in the Godhead. These are those who will judge in that day.

    thus man will end up judging even angels.
    Exactly!


    Standard.
    overcoming.
    Loving response to the creator
    and more.
    ?????? Unless you mean these three things to be the normal Christian life to which I again, agree.

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    [QUOTE=Cross Reference;4282448]
    Quote Originally Posted by Word based mystic View Post

    I probably would use the word "rectified" instead of "corrected" because God's creation was subjected to futility and futility [by man's will] won out. It sealed man's disposition to it without an advocate. It was not sin he was sealed to but rather the power of sin that easy access to his soul. Jesus "rectified" that situation with His Life and death. It is called "Redemption".

    The lesson to be learned is that God cannot not go against the will of man for His purpose, set in Himself, to be a satisfaction to Him and to the Angels watching. Man must willingly overcome that which is against God in his personal life, i.e., the issue of vanity.. The power of God that assists him can only be of a relationship between him and God. This love relationship comes by the new birth imputed through the choosing by Jesus Christ that the one chosen might see the government of God to desire it, to sell all and "buy" it.

    Warfare is realized in this that only strengthens as progress is made by that one who understands, has counted the cost and who advances his life towards the "Brotherhood" of Jesus Christ set in the Godhead. These are those who will judge in that day.



    Exactly!




    ?????? Unless you mean these three things to be the normal Christian life to which I again, agree.
    I was thinking those issues of
    a righteous standard
    an overcoming of sin
    loving response to the creator

    is some of the way God will use man as a standard to judge the fallen angels.

    they having full knowledge and awareness of God and still chose evil
    man having little knowledge and no sight still pursued God through Christs empowerment and Gift.

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    [QUOTE=Word based mystic;4282455]
    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post

    I was thinking those issues of
    a righteous standard
    an overcoming of sin
    loving response to the creator

    is some of the way God will use man as a standard to judge the fallen angels.

    they having full knowledge and awareness of God and still chose evil
    man having little knowledge and no sight still pursued God through Christs empowerment and Gift.
    Sorry but, that is all a bit too "mystical" for me to grasp.

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