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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    A fool is also someone who does nothing, and then imagines that he has done something.
    That would be the voters who don't count the vote.

    Ya'all think you'll get away with ignoring that fact?

    Do you really think "We the People" are running the country? Puleeese.

    I would respect not voting if those who do not vote would go to the polls and encourage others not to vote, in protest. But just sitting on your butt and doing nothing, and then claiming that you're doing something positive, is just plain lying to yourselves, and lying to the rest of us.
    I've been a very active activist on numerous things, in public.

    I will not dignify the voting process because it is not only fundamentally broken, it is run by thieves who stole our government and now want to force us to pretend we run it.

    [rant]If they do that I really will run it. If I get dragged away from my 7 children to go out and actually vote or even show up over this, I will be chasing their fraudster behinds all around in my car when they transport the ballot boxes and be picking up their trash, to see what they threw away.[/rant]

    Honestly, I'm a priestess of God and queen of my home, and I just hope they leave me alone. It's not my kingdom they want me to run. Maybe I'd find a different way to express my sentiments if push came to shove, but this is idea of forced voting is not freedom!

    Check out blackboxvoting.org if you want to see what real voters are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1PeaceMaker View Post

    I will not dignify the voting process because it is not only fundamentally broken, it is run by thieves who stole our government and now want to force us to pretend we run it..
    it is not broken
    just because you don't get your way
    it just means you are a whiner
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    it is not broken
    just because you don't get your way
    it just means you are a whiner
    So there is not and never has been dishonesty in counting the votes in America?

    My way is to let the rest of the USA run themselves into the ground if they want, as long as they leave me alone. That's freedom the way I like it. I would help but they don't want my help on the whole. Individuals can get my help, but I'm not an overlord or a collectivist.

    And do you really think that this country is soooo godly because we got honest men in the honest way? Don't you remember what happened to JFK?

    Real presidents in the Whitehouse get shot in the head. (And not because of what "We the People" do, but because corporatists murder them!)
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    Did you imagine me to be a "whiny liberal" Chrys?

    Wash your imagination out with soap!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shagster01 View Post
    Obama thinks so. . .

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politi...ing/index.html

    I've heard this idea kicked around a few times on this board.




    How do we offset the influence of big money in politics while fixing the country's abysmal voter turnout rate?

    President Barack Obama suggests it might be time to make voting a requirement.

    "In Australia and some other countries, there's mandatory voting," Obama said Wednesday in Cleveland, where he spoke about the importance of middle-class economics.

    "It would be transformative if everybody voted -- that would counteract money more than anything."

    The clout of millionaires and billionaires in campaign funding has been enormous, and many claim the uber wealthy have undue leverage in politics.

    "The people who tend not to vote are young, they're lower income, they're skewed more heavily towards immigrant groups and minority groups," Obama said. "There's a reason why some folks try to keep them away from the polls."

    At least 26 countries have compulsory voting, according to the Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. Failure to vote is punishable by a fine in countries such as Australia and Belgium; if you fail to pay your fine in Belgium, you could go to prison.




    According to the article only 37% of Americans voted in last year's mid-term. 144 million Americans skipped out.

    Is this a road we want to travel?
    Obama does not understand respect for the rights of individuals

    Nor does he uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    Rather he tramples on it and our inalienable rights endowed to us by our Creator.

    He is an evil man who has no respect for the great love for God and morals that this country was founded on

    If he has ever done anything worthwhile, it was contrary to his philosophy.
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    Perhaps if people were obliged to vote they would pay more attention to the process. Perhaps if people were obliged to vote the politicians would pay more attention to them. After all, there's nothing a politician likes more than a citizen he can ignore.
    Or perhaps not... do you have some information that you want to share that would prove that people would some how take an interest or is this just your opinion. It really is speculation on your part but, regardless people in the U.S. possess the freedom to stay uniformed, ignorant, and uninvolved in the political process, if that is their choice, than it is better that they do not vote anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1PeaceMaker View Post
    Did you imagine me to be a "whiny liberal" Chrys?

    Wash your imagination out with soap!!
    what you said is an insult to the many citizens who volunteer their time to make our voting system work

    we are indebted to them
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    Or perhaps not... do you have some information that you want to share that would prove that people would some how take an interest or is this just your opinion. It really is speculation on your part but, regardless people in the U.S. possess the freedom to stay uniformed, ignorant, and uninvolved in the political process, if that is their choice than it is better that they do not vote anyway.
    People will always be imperfect. Yet the Australians are mandated to vote, and they seem to be quite happy with that mandate. They also seem to be relatively well informed about their own government. So, although this is anecdotal evidence. It is some evidence. As opposed to just blindly assuming that changing the voting system will result in absolutely no change in the voting public involved in that system.

    Doing nothing is still doing nothing, and will generally result in nothing being done. While doing something is doing something and will likely result in some sort of a change. And since the model we have appears viable … maybe it'd be worth a try. Because what we're doing now is slowly and inevitably dragging us toward a political disaster (and probably to an economic one, as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    This is not about freedom, it's about the democratic process, which at this point is quickly becoming non-existent. If we do not mind that process, our "freedom" will quickly become an irrelevant concern.
    Wrong! it is absolutely about freedom, the democratic process exists whether people choose to take part in it or not. Those that choose not to vote don't care what happens to begin with, do not care to have their voice in it.


    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    If we want to protect what little freedom we have left, and perhaps gain some of it back before it's too late, we damn well better start minding our own political processes.
    By force? that is not freedom...

    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    And people who don't vote are undermining that. So in fact, not voting is not an expression of freedom, it's an expression of stupidity and irresponsibility, that hurts all of us.
    So you assert that forcing people to vote will somehow translate into freedom, engagement, & non-stupidity? I think this is a mighty big stretch...

    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    Also, if we're so worried about ignorant voters, why are we, ourselves, so ignorant? And why don't we find out what's going on and spread the word to those who don't know? And by finding out, I don't mean swallowing whatever propaganda suits us, I mean actively seek out information on important issues and events.
    Good luck with that, if people don't get engaged/interested in the months prior to an election to get educated, what makes you think they will all the sudden make informed choices on election day? It just won't happen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    what you said is an insult to the many citizens who volunteer their time to make our voting system work

    we are indebted to them
    Oh, are you claiming that our voting system works and is honest?

    I don't insult those who keep them accountable, see my promotion of blackboxvoting.org !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    People will always be imperfect. Yet the Australians are mandated to vote, and they seem to be quite happy with that mandate. They also seem to be relatively well informed about their own government. So, although this is anecdotal evidence. It is some evidence. As opposed to just blindly assuming that changing the voting system will result in absolutely no change in the voting public involved in that system.

    Doing nothing is still doing nothing, and will generally result in nothing being done. While doing something is doing something and will likely result in some sort of a change. And since the model we have appears viable … maybe it'd be worth a try. Because what we're doing now is slowly and inevitably dragging us toward a political disaster (and probably to an economic one, as well).
    You have as much chance of changing the voting system to make it mandatory as you do changing the electoral college or any other part of the constitution as it relates to the vote. Personally, I don't see it to be any benefit adding the ignorant & uniformed to the process....no value added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    A fool is also someone who does nothing, and then imagines that he has done something.

    I would respect not voting if those who do not vote would go to the polls and encourage others not to vote, in protest. But just sitting on your butt and doing nothing, and then claiming that you're doing something positive, is just plain lying to yourselves, and lying to the rest of us.
    I do not have have never stated or implied that abstaining is "positive," and neither has anyone else who advocates it on this thread.

    Abstaining as a result of laziness is foolish.
    Abstaining because no available candidate represents me or mine, because the system is inherently flawed to a ludicrous degree, because the system is manipulated by people whose names are never reported and whose faces never pass in front of a camera, is simply acting as conscience demands.

    I grew up being told to "vote as your conscience demands," and so I do not vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzword View Post
    so I do not vote.
    Then you also waive the right to complain about who is running things and how they are running it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    Then you also waive the right to complain about who is running things and how they are running it.
    Did you not read the rest of my post, or anything else I've posted on this thread?

    In no way do I waive the right to complain about a broken system which does not present any candidates who actually represent me or my priorities, and which continues to delude the masses into thinking they actually have a choice in the matter.

    Do you not act as your conscience demands?
    Do you not encourage others to do so?

    Do you not look to your own experiences when making decisions?
    If your experience with voting was a straight line of disappointment, disillusionment, and generally being screwed over no matter who won, would you continue spinning your wheels expecting to get somewhere?
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