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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    This is not about freedom,
    for you
    it never will be
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    Perhaps if people were obliged to vote they would pay more attention to the process. Perhaps if people were obliged to vote the politicians would pay more attention to them. After all, there's nothing a politician likes more than a citizen he can ignore.
    Unless you make the process more meaningful, I think you'd just get more noise. People don't care just because you tell them that they have to.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1PeaceMaker View Post
    When did they make it compulsory?
    1924 according to Wikipedia, well before I was born at least. Seems to nor be a big issue for us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    So it's preferable to put them in a booth so they can blindly mark the paper and just get it over with?

    Votes should mean something. It's fairly obvious that when you force someone to vote (by telling them they will be penalized if they don't), they are doing so begrudgingly.
    First of all technically they're not put in a voting booth, they are standing at a desk and the decision to bother with the booth (and fill in the form correctly) is up to them.


    And my impression of the system is that vast vast majority of people while maybe being a tad apathetic about politics in general and may have a little whine about it actually have an opinion they'd like to have heard. That's why our system has stayed the way it has, every now and again the idea of stopping it comes up but it never gets much traction with people.

    Yes there are people who literally don't care at all who also have to show up but numbers aren't as bad as you assume I think and they probably make up the majority of the donkey votes/informal votes.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    So, participation is so essential that you think bulldozing the freedom to not participate is required? This is strictly a matter of liberty and I guess that is my ideology...thankfully that is the way the framers of this country saw it also.
    How is this a bulldozing of freedom? Oh my you need to spend less than an hour every few years getting your name ticked off a list! What is this North Korea? (That was sarcasm)

    Seriously you probably spend more time doing your taxes, let alone the percentage of time you spend working to pay those taxes (+/- someone to fill them for you instead). And if you oppose all those things in their entirety then you are an anarchist.

    Given that most people in this country take no active part in the way government works to begin with, I am glad they choose not to give their uninformed opinion at the ballot box.
    The problem is that it then becomes a contest of who can encourage their pre-existing support base to be the least apathetic. There is no guarantee those people (from all political persuasions) are any better informed than others, in some cases their motivation might spring from how profoundly misinformed they are.
    Then you will also have many people (generally centrists/moderates) with well thought out opinions who stay away because they know they'll be drowned out by frenzied idealogues from both sides (a self fulfilling prophecy as if all such people voted they wouldn't be drowned out).

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    In 2012 the Republicans received a 23 seat majority in the House of Representatives despite the fact that the Democrats received 1.4 million more ballots in the popular vote.

    That's a slap in the face to millions of Americans who had their vote negated because those, who should be encouraging citizens to vote, were actively involved in deliberately subverting the system.

    States are allowed to rearrange the boundaries of the electoral districts every 10 years so in 2010, instead of aligning them to best reflect the popular vote, they were "gerrymandered" to provide one political party with an advantage.

    If the 2 political parties were really committed to encouraging more people to vote, they could start by turning those congressional boundary decisions over to an impartial committee who would apportion them to best reflect the popular vote.

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    Most elections can be called by the time between 1 and 10 percent of precincts report. What does that tell you ? That 90-99% of the voters could have stayed home and they would have gotten the same result.
    "Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."

    It's either true, or it's not true.
    Its truth does not influence how it is heard.
    How it is said does not influence its truth.
    How it is said influences how it is heard.

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    Let's pretend that the game isn't rigged, the business interests don't rule the world, the politicians aren't owned by business, the people in politics aren't corrupt and both parties aren't exactly the same. We still have the Electoral College and the Senate which makes voting worthless unless you live in a swing state.

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    Voting is useful when the public opinion is difficult to discern. We also vote on juries. Very rarely, races are won by much much less than a single percentage point difference. In these exceptional races, having a 37% voter turnout is a blessing because that is PLENTY of data to safely determine and certify the result of the election, with exceptional certainty, for such a fundamentally uncertain situation, when the public opinion divides so narrowly, that having 37% voter turnout is only barely capable of comfortably determining the result.
    "Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch."

    It's either true, or it's not true.
    Its truth does not influence how it is heard.
    How it is said does not influence its truth.
    How it is said influences how it is heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureX View Post
    Perhaps if people were obliged to vote they would pay more attention to the process. Perhaps if people were obliged to vote the politicians would pay more attention to them. After all, there's nothing a politician likes more than a citizen he can ignore.
    Have you voted in every election in which you were entitled to vote in?
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    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
    Proverbs 3:5-8

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    Where does the Bible say to elect rulers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Have you voted in every election in which you were entitled to vote in?
    I have!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrathca View Post
    ...Oh my you need to spend less than an hour every few years getting your name ticked off a list! What is this North Korea? (That was sarcasm)

    Seriously you probably spend more time doing your taxes, let alone the percentage of time you spend working to pay those taxes (+/- someone to fill them for you instead). And if you oppose all those things in their entirety then you are an anarchist.
    Aren't you comparing being mandated to do something essentially worthtless (getting my name checked off a list) to doing something valuable (paying taxes)?
    "It is easier to contend with evil at the first than at the last." - Leonardo da Vinci

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    Forcing people who don't care enough to vote by themself will just make sure that people who don't care and don't know what's going on will mess up the process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Have you voted in every election in which you were entitled to vote in?
    Several times! I'm from Chicago! Even dead people still vote in Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    Unless you make the process more meaningful, I think you'd just get more noise. People don't care just because you tell them that they have to.
    It they had to participate, they would care, more.

    If you had to take you car to the car wash once a week, you would think more often about how dirty or clean it is. You would like seeing it, clean. It's only natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzword View Post
    A fool is one who keeps doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
    A fool is also someone who does nothing, and then imagines that he has done something.

    I would respect not voting if those who do not vote would go to the polls and encourage others not to vote, in protest. But just sitting on your butt and doing nothing, and then claiming that you're doing something positive, is just plain lying to yourselves, and lying to the rest of us.

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