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    Should voting be mandatory?

    Obama thinks so. . .

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/politi...ing/index.html

    I've heard this idea kicked around a few times on this board.




    How do we offset the influence of big money in politics while fixing the country's abysmal voter turnout rate?

    President Barack Obama suggests it might be time to make voting a requirement.

    "In Australia and some other countries, there's mandatory voting," Obama said Wednesday in Cleveland, where he spoke about the importance of middle-class economics.

    "It would be transformative if everybody voted -- that would counteract money more than anything."

    The clout of millionaires and billionaires in campaign funding has been enormous, and many claim the uber wealthy have undue leverage in politics.

    "The people who tend not to vote are young, they're lower income, they're skewed more heavily towards immigrant groups and minority groups," Obama said. "There's a reason why some folks try to keep them away from the polls."

    At least 26 countries have compulsory voting, according to the Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance. Failure to vote is punishable by a fine in countries such as Australia and Belgium; if you fail to pay your fine in Belgium, you could go to prison.




    According to the article only 37% of Americans voted in last year's mid-term. 144 million Americans skipped out.

    Is this a road we want to travel?
    Having the right to do something does not automatically make it the right thing to do.

    Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814,

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    No, because not voting is a vote. A vote off no faith or confidence. We the people are the political hostages of a mass-corporate coup. Mandates to vote would only add insult to injury.
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    It was mandatory in Iraq and Hussein got 100% of the vote as a result.
    Last edited by Nick M; March 19th, 2015 at 11:29 AM. Reason: link provided
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    It's not he who votes that counts, it's he who counts the votes.
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    No ... If they care so little about the issues and what is going on around them, it's preferable that they do not vote.
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    Basically, Obama wants to take the freedom of not caring about government away from people. Voting should not be mandatory.
    "Until I land a job that pays me to surf the internet I'm going to have to keep doing it at this one."

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    you can all stay home
    and
    whine about it on tol
    but
    you have to let me do all the voting
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Well, of course Obama wants this; Stupid people overwhelmingly vote liberal:

    The guy who thinks voters are 'stupid'

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    you can all stay home
    and
    whine about it on tol
    but
    you have to let me do all the voting
    And let you have all the fun ... Noooo!

    No worries, I always vote.
    Last edited by Rusha; March 19th, 2015 at 11:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    you can all stay home
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    whine about it on tol
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    you have to let me do all the voting
    If they force us to vote, they force us who believe the voting system is corrupted to observe the vote count and expose the fraud when possible. Sounds like a recipe for more hassle on the part of the enforcers.

    This would damage their opportunity to engage freely in corrupt practices - they should consider that carefully!
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    Not so long as we worship the "first past the post" election system.

    The Problem


    Maybe if we adopted a system for voting for prioritized alternatives, mandating the vote would make slightly more sense.

    The Solution
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1PeaceMaker View Post
    No, because not voting is a vote. A vote off no faith or confidence. We the people are the political hostages of a mass-corporate coup. Mandates to vote would only add insult to injury.
    Or it might change things.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    And let you have all the fun ... Noooo!

    No worries, I always vote.
    Do you think the vote is counted fairly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Or it might change things.
    I agree with you this time, CM.

    That could be the corporatists' Waterloo. They might just lose the Empire like Napoleon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Or it might change things.
    Only if:
    1) You have the choice of a candidate who is willing, able, and motivated to change things.
    2) The above candidate is telling the truth about his/her willingness, ability, and motivation to change things.
    3) The above truth-telling candidate actually wins the election.
    4) The above truth-telling candidate does not find him/herself paralyzed from making any changes by the financially controlled system of lobbyists and other corporate toadies already in place before he/she was elected, OR the fickle extremist constituents who suddenly change their tune once the election is over.

    Most of the time, we don't get past #2. If we do, nobody can agree on what should change, or how to change it. And of course the toadies are in the thick of it sowing chaos for their employers' benefit.
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