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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Did Judas ever have the genuine opportunity to repent and not be the one through whom prophecy was fulfilled?
    No. Most of Israel didn't (cf. John 12:40)
    I don't care how systematic your theology is, until you show me how biblical it is.

    2 Tim 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themuzicman View Post
    No. Most of Israel didn't (cf. John 12:40)
    I thought they had until 70AD, when the doors of repentance for Israel slammed shut because there was no more Israel...

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    "Iscariot" isn't a last name. It may be part of a political philosophy "sicarii", which was specifically anti-Roman, and thus, he would be the one to act in such a way to force Jesus' hand to rebel against the Romans, and lead Israel to its glory as David's kingdom.

    Thus, Jesus "knew" because he knew who Judas was all along.
    I don't care how systematic your theology is, until you show me how biblical it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianJOrr View Post
    Has there been an open theist response on this forum to this verse? I see it as a complete contradiction to the openness perspective on foreknowledge. I have tried the search function but nothing has matched yet.

    John 6:64 - "'But there are some of you who do not believe. (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.)"

    I think Boyd's treatment is quite shallow, missing the fuller points of this passage and was hoping to find a more detailed response.

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    John 6:44 states that drawing is required before one is able to come. Jesus is referring to those whom God would not draw.
    I don't care how systematic your theology is, until you show me how biblical it is.

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