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    Tulipbees POTD on 1-14-2015

    "The Arminian view of Christís atonement not only contradicts the biblical definition of Christís redemptive work, but also contradicts itself. An examination of three options regarding Christís death will prove that Arminianism is irrational. Jesus Christ paid the price and endured Godís wrath against sin for either: 1) all the sins of all men, 2) all the sins of some men, or 3) some of the sins of all men. If number 3 is true, then all men still have the guilt of some sins to answer for. This would mean that all men will go to hell, for it only takes the guilt of one sin to merit eternal damnation. If one holds to option 2, that Christ died for all of the sins of some men, then one believes that only some men (i.e., Godís elect) will be saved and go to heaven. This is simply biblical Christianity; that Christ actually achieved the salvation of all of Godís elect. The non-elect are passed by and perish. Arminianism, or inconsistent universalism, holds to position number 1, that Christ died for all the sins of all men. If this position is true, then why are not all men freed from the punishment of all their sins. The Arminian will answer: ďbecause they refused to believe in Jesus Christ. They are guilty of unbelief.ď But this unbelief, is it a sin or is it not a sin? If unbelief is not a sin, then why should anyone by punished for it? If unbelief is a sin, then Christ was punished for it in His death. If Christ paid for this sin as all others, then why must this sin stop anyone from entering heaven more than any of the other sins (e.g., murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc.). Furthermore, if Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then one cannot say that He died for all the sins of all men. The Arminian cannot escape from the horns of this theological dilemma."

    Impeccable logic which is foundational to Reformed teaching.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    "The Arminian view of Christís atonement not only contradicts the biblical definition of Christís redemptive work, but also contradicts itself. An examination of three options regarding Christís death will prove that Arminianism is irrational. Jesus Christ paid the price and endured Godís wrath against sin for either: 1) all the sins of all men, 2) all the sins of some men, or 3) some of the sins of all men. If number 3 is true, then all men still have the guilt of some sins to answer for. This would mean that all men will go to hell, for it only takes the guilt of one sin to merit eternal damnation. If one holds to option 2, that Christ died for all of the sins of some men, then one believes that only some men (i.e., Godís elect) will be saved and go to heaven. This is simply biblical Christianity; that Christ actually achieved the salvation of all of Godís elect. The non-elect are passed by and perish. Arminianism, or inconsistent universalism, holds to position number 1, that Christ died for all the sins of all men. If this position is true, then why are not all men freed from the punishment of all their sins. The Arminian will answer: ďbecause they refused to believe in Jesus Christ. They are guilty of unbelief.ď But this unbelief, is it a sin or is it not a sin? If unbelief is not a sin, then why should anyone by punished for it? If unbelief is a sin, then Christ was punished for it in His death. If Christ paid for this sin as all others, then why must this sin stop anyone from entering heaven more than any of the other sins (e.g., murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc.). Furthermore, if Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then one cannot say that He died for all the sins of all men. The Arminian cannot escape from the horns of this theological dilemma."

    Impeccable logic which is foundational to Reformed teaching.
    "This is simply biblical Christianity; that Christ actually achieved the salvation of all of Godís elect"-that nag

    The satanic "logic" of Clavinism/Calvinism:


    saved: to be delivered/preserved, from a danger.


    If you are one of the "elect," as Clavinism/Calvinism defines it(*), you were never in any danger, and the LORD God is a bumbling fool/idiot/moron like Clavinists, for even including desire, after desire, that all men believe..................But, then again, "all" never means "all" in the mindset of the Clavinist/Calvinist.

    *"election," "elect," is never used in the context of salvation, justification, in the volume of the book. Clavinism/Calvinism made that up.
    Saint John W

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