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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    So which member of a gay couple has to give un-intoxicated consent?
    Seriously, what does this question have to do with...anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Seriously, what does this question have to do with...anything?
    It has a lot to do with everything. Either persons must consent or not. Or are women a separate species?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    It has a lot to do with everything. Either persons must consent or not. Or are women a separate species?
    Sure. And you shifted gears from women getting raped on campus to gay guys. What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Sure. And you shifted gears from women getting raped on campus to gay guys. What are you talking about?
    Are women persons? Do persons have to be sober to consent to sex? Including men? Or do only women have to be? And then are they a subset of persons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    Are women persons? Do persons have to be sober to consent to sex? Including men? Or do only women have to be? And then are they a subset of persons?
    Yes, yes, yes. And then you get weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Yes, yes, yes. And then you get weird.
    OK, they would need to be their own subset if this did not apply across the board. So when 2 gay men get together at college, they both have to be sober to get in bed? So that one of them will not bring rape charges against the other, as persons are wont to do? Or do only "women" do this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    Her remarks go to an extreme; the rape hysteria, the other extreme. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
    She's vicious and callous to the extreme.

    There is no "rape hysteria," so it's not a valid polar opposite.

    “People know what a rape is,” Coulter insisted, “and to have girls trying to get attention — from Lena Dunham to this poor psychotic at UVA, Lady Gaga claiming she was raped but she didn’t admit it to herself for five years. What major crime do people say, ‘I didn’t admit it to myself?’”
    Women who have been raped, groped or molested may not admit it to themselves, or when they do it may have taken time, even a long time. For various reasons: Misplaced blame, maybe. If only this, or that... Because so often society blames the victim. Or maybe they can't mentally process right away that the rapist or molester is someone they knew, or trusted, and they doubt themselves. There are a lot of factors, and shame on Coulter for saying that victims are trying to get attention. Pathetic.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    OK, they would need to be their own subset if this did not apply across the board. So when 2 gay men get together at college, they both have to be sober to get in bed? So that one of them will not bring rape charges against the other, as persons are wont to do? Or do only "women" do this?
    Why are you having such a problem understanding the concept of consent? This word seems to completely baffle you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Why are you having such a problem understanding the concept of consent? This word seems to completely baffle you guys.
    On the contrary, you keep missing my point. Please answer my questions. If you cannot, there's a reason for it. It has to do with equality of persons in jurisprudence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Why are you having such a problem understanding the concept of consent? This word seems to completely baffle you guys.
    That's the problem: there are some guys out there who are baffled by the concept of consent. To them it means something else entirely.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    On the contrary, you keep missing my point. Please answer my questions. If you cannot, there's a reason for it. It has to do with equality of persons in jurisprudence.


    I did. What part of "Yes, yes, yes" was hard to figure out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Why are you having such a problem understanding the concept of consent? This word seems to completely baffle you guys.
    Apparently sex is not a weapon if you can get rid of that pesky word "consent". Who needs to consent? We are only women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Apparently sex is not a weapon if you can get rid of that pesky word "consent". Who needs to consent? We are only women.
    Do persons need to consent, or only women? And if only women, then they clearly do not fall under the broad category of "rational persons". You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Either be rational persons or "women".
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    Quote Originally Posted by GFR7 View Post
    I wonder if new campus rules will also apply to gay culture: Does a gay man need to get consent, and is a drunken gay man unable to give consent?
    So did you post this thread to talk about the OP or about gay culture?

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    So did you post this thread to talk about the OP or about gay culture?
    To examine this very serious subject of new rules on campuses , and the effect it will have on young people.

    I want to know if persons must give consent and be sober, or only women.

    It sounds like only women as it's written. This kind of puts them outside the realm of "rational persons", legally.

    I doubt gay men are going to concern themselves with this.
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