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    God's foreknowledge of all does not equate to God forcing us to do anything or to make any particular choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    No. I'm simply saying that if He knew then then I do not have a choice.
    But you haven't made the choice yet. I know, that's your point: it doesn't exist yet because you haven't made it, so how can God foreknow something that does not yet exist. If He does foreknow it, then it will exist. It's fixed. So, in that sense, it would already exists, meaning your choice is already set, thus when the time comes for you to "make the choice," it really won't be a choice after all because, in a deeply weird way, you already made it. Is that about right? Now I have a headache.
    Salvation by grace is not a divine game of limbo seeing how low one can go and still walk the walk. God has knocked us all down and said we cannot earn righteousness at all (Rom 3:10). He has taken away the limbo bar and declared the game over (Rom 4:5). -- Justin Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by journey View Post
    God's foreknowledge of all does not equate to God forcing us to do anything or to make any particular choices.
    That's really the only point I was trying to make; not about the philosophical nuts and bolts but whether God is responsible by (hypothetically) simply foreknowing. But I see LH's point, too. I think.
    Salvation by grace is not a divine game of limbo seeing how low one can go and still walk the walk. God has knocked us all down and said we cannot earn righteousness at all (Rom 3:10). He has taken away the limbo bar and declared the game over (Rom 4:5). -- Justin Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by journey View Post
    God's foreknowledge of all does not equate to God forcing us to do anything or to make any particular choices.
    I don't see anyone in this thread arguing that it does.

    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    But you haven't made the choice yet. I know, that's your point: it doesn't exist yet because you haven't made it, so how can God foreknow something that does not yet exist. If He does foreknow it, then it will exist. It's fixed. So, in that sense, it would already exists, meaning your choice is already set, thus when the time comes for you to "make the choice," it really won't be a choice after all because, in a deeply weird way, you already made it. Is that about right? Now I have a headache.
    Yes. And now you know part of my reason for being open view.


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