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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    You told me that "God controls every human action".
    God controls everything He created . . .

    Who dare argue against this truth, and continue to claim they believe in God?
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    God controls everything He created . . .
    So you contend that GOD also controls whether his creation sins or not, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    God controls everything He created . . .
    IF God controls/determines "everything" He created than that would mean he also determines sin as well which would make Him evil. This quite an evil heresy you are walking in Nang. Evil indeed!

    How dare you accuse God of controlling/determining the the evil acts of His creation, how dare you call God evil. Your doctrine is evil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    So you contend that GOD also controls whether his creation sins or not, no?
    God controls and overrules the sins of His creation.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    IF God controls/determines "everything" He created than that would mean he also determines sin
    Yep . . .

    which would make Him evil.
    God determined man would sin, and God provided remedy (by giving His Son as sacrifice) for human sin.

    Where do you find Divine evil in this message of grace?

    How dare you accuse God of controlling/determining the the evil acts of His creation, how dare you call God evil. Your doctrine is evil...
    I do not call God, "evil." You are the one coming to this conclusion, not me . . .
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    How is it not a choice if God should happen to know what you'll do? If He foresees what you'll do and stops you from doing it, then your power of choice is overridden (not that you'd ever know it). But if He should simply foreknow what you'll do, and allows you to do it, that in no way impacts your power of choice. In fact, that's exactly where your justified condemnation lies, lest you repent.
    Can you do anything else, or will you do exactly what He knows you will do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Is it still a choice if i offer my child a plate of cookies or a plate of broccoli and said choose one, because I happen to know which one they will choose?
    That is not the way God's foreknowledge works in Arminianism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDeets View Post
    Youngster, why don't you scroll back a few years. I've BEEN debating this for awhile. I used to do it as a theist, and grew tired of it. Now as an atheist, I don't see the point.
    And you still don't know what you're talking about, especially as an atheist. Psalms 14:1-7. You have a record of denying the obvious.
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    [QUOTE=Lighthouse;4106378]Can you do anything else, or will you do exactly what He knows you will do?[\QUOTE]

    Note I said 'should know,' not 'does know.' I was taking his premise just for the sake of response to show his bad logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDeets View Post
    Youngster, why don't you scroll back a few years. I've BEEN debating this for awhile.
    Time you hung up the spurs, pops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDeets View Post
    I've BEEN debating this for awhile. I used to do it as a theist,
    Those were the days!

    Now as an atheist, I don't see the point.
    That's cause atheists are boring.
    Don't be boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Can you do anything else, or will you do exactly what He knows you will do?


    That is not the way God's foreknowledge works in Arminianism.
    Im not arminian nor calvinist was only making a point that choice is still choice if you know what someone will choose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    God controls and overrules the sins of His creation.
    Oh how convenient...so, on one hand you say:

    Originally Posted by Nang
    God controls everything He created . . .
    But on the other hand you say:

    God controls and overrules the sins of His creation
    Define your quote above for us, you can't have both ways either God determine/controls humanity's every action as you said to Right Divider or He does not control every action and humanity has the free will choice to choose good or evil. Every action would include evil/sin. Please explain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post



    GOD has created a real world of cause and effect which man is free to act upon, because GOD has sovereignly ordained that man should have the good and mysterious gifts of self-consciousness and self-determination/free will.
    To say that GOD is pulling every string, that all things are determined and that man is determined, is to ignore the real world that GOD has made and thus, live in a fantasy world.
    Also, to say that GOD is pulling every string is the same as saying that there are no miracles because a true miracle is an interference with the cause and effect real world that GOD has made. If everything is a miracle, then.......nothing is.
    Excellent. This also defines miracles. Its a favorite atheist talking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    God determined man would sin, and God provided remedy (by giving His Son as sacrifice) for human sin.
    Then you contend that God is the father of sin since He determines it? The father of evil since He controls the every action of His creation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Where do you find Divine evil in this message of grace?
    I haven't, you have...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    I do not call God, "evil."
    Actually you have whether you understand what your espousing or not. If you say that God determines/controls whether His creation sins (or not) than that is exactly what you have said, your statement has made God the author of sin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    You are the one coming to this conclusion, not me . . .
    That is true but, I am not the one that has made the statement which when rendered down comes to that conclusion all on it's own. If you don't see a problem with your position, your blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Those were the days!

    That's cause atheists are boring.
    Don't be boring.
    LOL, Tam, atheist or not, you KNOW I am incapable of being boring.
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