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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    I have no problem with Christ being divine. But what do you consider divine?

    Your misunderstanding my friend. Christ is a created form of God. He was given the fullness of the Father. But he is a creation, he can die. He has a God, the same God we have. He was with the Father at the creation, the Father created everything through Christ.

    But Jesus was born to Mary, he was a human. He is the body prepared for the spirit Christ in Heb 10:5. Christ came down from heaven and took the form of man by dwelling in Jesus. He spoke through Jesus. Jesus was not born the Christ, he was anointed as the Christ when Christ took over his being. That great change in Jesus caused him to go into the wilderness for forty days to adjust to the power he just received. Then he was tempted by Satan. God can not be tempted.

    Consider what might be the correct way to see Christ as he was SENT to us. Christ is a spirit like his God. Jesus never said that he was God, neither did the Christ in him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Why don't you believe in the revealing of Jesus Christ in the scriptures? Who was He revealed as?
    Jesus was revealed as the Messiah, the Son of God.

    Matthew 16:16
    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Jesus was revealed as the Messiah, the Son of God.
    Amen.
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    Man is human.
    The son of man is also human.

    God is divine.
    The Son of God is also divine.

    So far there is no problem.



    What assumptions cause the problem?
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    That He is human but not divine. That is the problem
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    That He is human but not divine. That is the problem
    That is not the problem.
    Everyone that believes Jesus came in the flesh can state that Jesus is human and that Jesus is divine, even if they answer "no" to your poll.

    So, what is the assumption that causes the problem?
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    No, Jesus Christ tells us that the Father is the only true God in John 17:3. Why don't you believe him?
    We do. ... There is One God...period.
    Interesting to note that God's Word describes Jesus with the same attributes that only the one true God has.
    Jesus is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. He is the Truth...He is the Life.

    Jesus is called God...He is called Lord..He is the King of Kings.

    We know who Jesus is by His work and His actions....things only God can do. Jesus can forgive sin. He is the judge. Jesus is the Creator, and He maintains it. Jesus raises the dead.

    Only God can be worshipped and we see that angels worship Jesus...people worshipped Him. And...Jesus claims equality with the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

    Yes as you stated...as God's Word states...there is One true God.
    Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    So, you are saying that Jesus is not the Son of God?
    How could you conclude that? Yes he is the Son, and our Lord and God who is an existential personification of the Father-I AM. In spirit they are indistinguishable to us.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    We know who Jesus is by His work and His actions....things only God can do.
    Things only God can do and did do.

    Ye men of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you as ye yourselves also know. (Acts 2:22)

    Yes, God did the works through a man approved of God, the man Jesus Christ.

    Give credit to whom credit is due. God works through men his wonders to perform.

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    Jesus chose as his title "Son of Man" from the Book of Enoch.




    The Son of Man


    Fragment of 1 Enoch (Scrolls of the Dead Sea).
    Fragment of 1 Enoch (Scrolls of the Dead Sea) (!!!)

    And there I saw the One to Whom belongs the time before time, and His head was white like wool. With Him was another being, whose countenance had the appearance of a man, and his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels. I asked the angel who went with me [...] concerning that son of and who he was, and whence he was, and why he went with the One to Whom belongs the time before time.

    He answered and said to me: 'This is the son of man who has righteousness, with whom dwells righteousness, and who reveals all the treasures of that which is hidden, because the Lord of the spirits has chosen him, and whose lot has the pre-eminence before the Lord of the spirits in uprightness for ever. This son of man whom you have seen shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats and the strong from their thrones, and shall loosen the reins of the strong and break the teeth of the sinners.'

    And at that hour that Son of Man was named in the presence of the Lord of the spirits, and his name before the the One to Whom belongs the time before time. Yes, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, his name was named before the Lord of the spirits. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, and he shall be the light of the gentiles and the hope of those who are troubled of heart. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, and will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of the spirits. For this reason has he been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and for ever more. The wisdom of the Lord of the spirits has revealed him to the holy and righteous; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness, and have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of the spirits: for in his name they are saved, and according to his good pleasure has it been in regard to their life.


    In these days downcast in countenance shall the kings of the earth have become, and the strong who possess the land because of the works of their hands, for on the day of their anguish and affliction they shall not be able to save themselves. And I will give them over into the hands of My elect: as straw in the fire so shall they burn before the face of the holy, as lead in the water shall they sink before the face of the righteous, and no trace of them shall any more be found.
    And on the day of their affliction there shall be rest on the earth, and before them they shall fall and not rise again. There shall be no one to take them with his hands and raise them, for they have denied the Lord of the spirits and His Messiah. The name of the Lord of the spirits be blessed."

    [1 Enoch 46.1-4;
    1 Enoch 48.2-10]

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    You are still cherry picking, the proper way is to consider everything the miraculous Christ said and did. You come in denial then pick what seems to justify that denial.



    "He" was a personality reality before this world was.



    The "Divine" was not tempted, Jesus self limited his divinity as a Human while subject to the Fathers will. Besides, the temptation talk was the opinion of the writer.



    I've told you 6,746 times, the human flesh of Jesus died, not his spirit. He then resurrected a form of his body that would be visible to believers.



    Humans don't become Gods in heaven, only Gods are Gods.

    We all cherry pick, but that does not change the words.

    Christ was, Jesus was not at the creation.

    Are you now saying that Christ was not divine as a human? I question that.

    I also question that the spirit did not die. I am speaking of the Christ spirit. He came to die as a human.

    Are you saying your God has limits? Mine does not. He created his exact image to do the work of creation. Christ is a created form of God, Phil 2.

    None of us know it all yet Caino, learn new ideas that just might bring you some light.


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    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    You've overlooked some parts of the story, Jesus came down from heaven, he returned to heaven with all power and authority. He is Lord and God.

    Nope, Jesus did not come down from heaven, the Christ in him did.

    Who made him Lord? Hint, his God did.


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    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Why don't you believe in the revealing of Jesus Christ in the scriptures? Who was He revealed as?

    He is the SON OF GOD, not God. Why do you question HIS WORDS.


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    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    We all cherry pick, but that does not change the words.

    Christ was, Jesus was not at the creation.

    Are you now saying that Christ was not divine as a human? I question that.

    I also question that the spirit did not die. I am speaking of the Christ spirit. He came to die as a human.

    Are you saying your God has limits? Mine does not. He created his exact image to do the work of creation. Christ is a created form of God, Phil 2.

    None of us know it all yet Caino, learn new ideas that just might bring you some light.


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    A duel nature being, he was not a human that at some point became divine, he was not a divine that became entirely human, he was both human and divine. He had already pleased God by the time of his voluntary, ceremonial baptism.

    God was already forgiving, salvation was by faith as taught by Jesus long before the cross. Death is mans natural fate, It was the Fathers will for the Son to pass through all that man is called to do. "lay down his life for his sheep", not as a Pagan human sacrifice, an idea that was prevalent outside of Judaism and predates Jesus.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    He is the SON OF GOD, not God. Why do you question HIS WORDS.


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    Why do you question who he is when you know. Does He as the Son have the attributes and characteristics of His Father?
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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