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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    show me those 2 supposed sunsets in the Gospels.
    At least 2. Reading in each of the gospels from the crucifixion to the resurrection you will find mention of a Sabbath day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post
    Jesus was crucified at the third and/or sixth hour, still on the cross at the ninth hour.
    and/or?????????????????????????????????????????????
    jesus was crucified at the nith and at the third hour???????????
    Is Mark wrong????????????????????????????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post
    At least 2. Reading in each of the gospels from the crucifixion to the resurrection you will find mention of a Sabbath day.
    but no mention to sansets, meaning it was only one day (acording to your own criteria)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    and/or?????????????????????????????????????????????
    jesus was crucified at the nith and at the third hour???????????
    Is Mark wrong????????????????????????????????????
    Why are you talking about Mark. Why are you talking about the ninth and the third hour?

    The third hour of any given day occurs before the sixth hour of that same day. It was no different the day Jesus was crucified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    According to you things hapens the same day as follows:
    Jesus is already crucififed by the 9am (third hour) Matk 15:21-25
    Later same day Jesus is on trial at Pilate´s by noon (sixth hour) and afternoon, eventually being sentenced to the cross and severelly wiped. John 19:14-16
    Wnat is wrong here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    but no mention to sansets, meaning it was only one day (acording to your own criteria)
    At least one day between burial and the discovery of the empty tomb, simply by identifying that there was a Sabbath (and there are two sunsets, one to begin and one to end, to any given day).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    Wnat is wrong here?
    Your words or explanation of what you are reading is what is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post
    Why are you talking about Mark. Why are you talking about the ninth and the third hour?

    The third hour of any given day occurs before the sixth hour of that same day. It was no different the day Jesus was crucified.
    Mark says that Jesus was already crucified by the third hour.
    You says that Jesus was crucified at the third hour and also he was crucified a second time at the sixth hour.
    But John says that after the sixth hour Jesus was on the trial, after that he was sentenced and then he was wiped.

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    According to you things hapens the same day as follows:
    Jesus is already crucififed by the 9am (third hour) Matk 15:21-25
    Later same day Jesus is on trial at Pilate´s by noon (sixth hour) and afternoon, eventually being sentenced to the cross and severelly wiped. John 19:14-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post
    Your words or explanation of what you are reading is what is wrong.
    What exactly is wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    Kark says that Jesus was already crucified by the third hour.
    You says that Jesus was crucified at the third hour and also he was crucified a second time at the sixth hour.
    But John says that after the sixth hour Jesus was on the trial, after that he was sentenced and then he was wiped.
    Nothing about being crucified a second time. This is how I know that Jesus was crucified the same day that He was crucified. He was crucified and He died.

    It has to do with the words. There is no reason to say He was crucified twice, and I conclude that what happened to Jesus in regard to the crucifixion was all on the same day. This is because He was crucified the day He was crucified, and not another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    According to you things hapens the same day as follows:
    Jesus is already crucififed by the 9am (third hour) Matk 15:21-25
    Later same day Jesus is on trial at Pilate´s by noon (sixth hour) and afternoon, eventually being sentenced to the cross and severelly wiped. John 19:14-16



    What exactly is wrong?
    The first word you have wrong is "already". This is because the first (recorded in the gospels) mention of His crucifixion was the third hour, which was about 9am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    It will be of more blessing if you manage to cantact VP Wierwille and tell him to red me.

    Any how: Jesus was not crucified the same day of his arrest.
    John 19:14-16

    And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

    15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

    16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

    What is the problem?

    That there is no indication in John of another day?

    Why is that a problem?

    Since Jesus was before Pilate at the sixth hour and had already been crucified by the sixth hour, why is that a problem?

    One day he was before Pilate at the sixth hour and the next day he had already been crucified well before the sixth hour.

    Why let that trouble you?

    Where in John 19:14-16 does it say "immediately after"?

    Or do you assume that the word "immediately" must be meant whenever one event follows another in the word of God?

    Matthew 1:2-16 would be rather bizarre if you assumed all the begattings occurred immediately after the previous one.

    Well, it would be bizarre to assume that Jesus could be already crucified at the same time he is yet before Pilate.

    As for VP Wierwille, he as fallen asleep and is awaiting the return of Christ, I Thessalonians 4:13-18

    Since the dead are dead until they are raised from the dead, the first opportunity for you to contact VP Wierwille will be some time after the return of Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post
    The first word you have wrong is "already". This is because the first (recorded in the gospels) mention of His crucifixion was the third hour, which was about 9am.
    If you read Mark 15 you will see that by the third hour Jesas was already nailed to the cross. But I will give up this one.

    According to you things hapens the same day as follows:
    Jesus is crucififed by the 9am (third hour) Matk 15:21-25
    Later same day Jesus is on trial at Pilate´s by noon (sixth hour) and afternoon, eventually being sentenced to the cross and severelly wiped. John 19:14-16
    What exactly is wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post

    Since Jesus was before Pilate at the sixth hour and had already been crucified by the sixth hour, why is that a problem?
    Jesus was at the cross by the third hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0scar View Post
    If you read Mark 15 you will see that by the third hour Jesas was already nailed to the cross. But I will give up this one.

    According to you things hapens the same day as follows:
    Jesus is crucififed by the 9am (third hour) Matk 15:21-25
    Later same day Jesus is on trial at Pilate´s by noon (sixth hour) and afternoon, eventually being sentenced to the cross and severelly wiped. John 19:14-16
    What exactly is wrong?
    I don't know why you are talking about an afternoon.

    Jesus was crucified. We know of the third hour, the sixth hour, and the ninth hour that day.

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