Reply With QuoteFirst, who are you to grill me on what I believe? I have thousands of posts which should answer all your questions about what I believe. I refer you to them. Happy searching.Originally Posted by beloved57
I'll give you the following: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshol...atonement.html
Eph 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift --
Eph 2:9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. [HCSB]
First, who are you to grill me on what I believe? I have thousands of posts which should answer all your questions about what I believe. I refer you to them. Happy searching.
Eph 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift --
Eph 2:9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. [HCSB]
I want scriptures
One lavished upon in the Beloved
To say "He shall save His people from their sin" doesn't do it...for the atonement is there but not any but His people are drawn to it.
Particularism which I am not denying is the work of the Holy Spirit in who He draws to the Son.
See one man sinned and ALL men were in him when he sinned, one man the Man Christ Jesus, died. God created all men from one blood, Christ shed the drop of His blood.
Moreover God expounded his full wrath on Christ, nobody will ever suffer to the full as He did and it is finished.
One lavished upon in the Beloved
I'm not going to do all the work for you. Read what is on the website I linked you to. Ample scriptures are provided and explained.
Eph 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift --
Eph 2:9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. [HCSB]
The answer is there is no scripture which limits the atonement. God may and does choose who will partake the benefit of it.
God could not say otherwise "whosoever will...."
One lavished upon in the Beloved
Limited Atonement is brought in to shore up double predestiny.
One lavished upon in the Beloved
The answer is you are too lazy to read the link I posted which has dozens of scriptures proving Limited Atonement.
Eph 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift --
Eph 2:9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. [HCSB]
There is a fabulous little book that is a quick and easy read. It deals soundly with the doctrine and represents it very well. Perhaps those who are interested, might invest the time in reading this.
The Five Points of Calvinism- Defined, Defended, Documented.
David N Steele - Curtis C Thomas
Presbyterian & Reformed Publishing Co.
Phillipsburg, N.J.
You scared to answer that question, I understand !
Posted from the TOL App!
"... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
Charles Spurgeon !
The answer is you are more willing to read the work of theologians and rest on their findings than study the scripture for yourself...those theologians may be good and honourable but they are not infallible.The answer is you are too lazy to read the link I posted which has dozens of scriptures proving Limited Atonement.
Once again I will ask you to show by scripture that the atonement is limited...if you had done your homework you would be ready with the answer. And the answer is there IS no, just as there is no satisfactory scripture to prove double predestiny which Limited Atonement is brought in to shore up..
Last edited by Totton Linnet; July 21st, 2014 at 04:13 AM.
One lavished upon in the Beloved
And you believe you are infallible and people should follow your teaching? You are arguing against something you invented and believe others believe. You need to study with an open mind and let the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit lead you into truth. We can build upon the sound foundation laid by others for our benefit. I do not believe each Christian must start over with no knowledge of the Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic once they are born again. That would be chaos for the Christian Church. You read someone else's work regarding "double predestination". Why should we believe that person and not Spurgeon, Sproul, MacArthur, and others? I'll take their word over yours any day.
Eph 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift --
Eph 2:9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. [HCSB]
Of COURSE I am infallible...everyone knows that !!!! I am also nearly as humble as john w.
I do not disregard theologians of the past...they are a little thin on the ground at the present time. I am very thankful for their labours.
You either do not know Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic you rely upon others to translate it...so do I, I rely on the translators of the bible...I read the translation very well.
But we have a duty to read and understand for ourselves, this especially so if we want to work in evangelism. Are you then saying only Calvin is the true church like foolish B57?
I agree his theology on Predestination and Election is good grounding, ointment, but Double Predestiny is the fly in the apothecary.
What is so awful is that it so appals christians that they throw out the precious with the vile.
One lavished upon in the Beloved
Slander !
Posted from the TOL App!
"... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
Charles Spurgeon !
I concur. Totally uncalled for.
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My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2
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