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    Delmar's POD 3-21-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Reign View Post
    [/INDENT]Jerry, it is perfectly comprehensible why you say what you say. You start from the presupposition that God does not experience time (a.k.a. a succession of events) and lo and behold you find all sorts of scriptures that appear to agree with you. That's all it is.

    Your own view is self-defeating because if God is outside of time, then he didn't do anything before anything else. Even if there was a point when time began, God can't have done anything before that point. The very idea that time began is completely nonsensical.
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    I said something similar to the highlighted portion, earlier in the thread, but not as eloquently.

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    Excellent!


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    Well time is a 4 dimensional property.an effect or by product of. He should have said,before God created the physical universe,then time would have been included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephR View Post
    Well time is a 4 dimensional property.an effect or by product of. He should have said,before God created the physical universe,then time would have been included.
    Can you show that time is dimensional?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Can you show that time is dimensional?
    well no, it is a by-product of the burn of energy..

    physicist now call it time-space. not separating time and space.

    and space is a dimension and time is what happens when energy is transferred.

    What I am saying is that time as we know it will not exist without matter... and there is no such thing as a space without matter...

    EXCEPT in a different dimension or as the Faithful call it, the Spiritual world

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    Nice job, Desert Reign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Nice job, Desert Reign.

    Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephR View Post
    well no, it is a by-product of the burn of energy..

    physicist now call it time-space. not separating time and space.

    and space is a dimension and time is what happens when energy is transferred.

    What I am saying is that time as we know it will not exist without matter... and there is no such thing as a space without matter...

    EXCEPT in a different dimension or as the Faithful call it, the Spiritual world
    I'm still waiting for you to show this. I didn't ask you to simply tell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephR View Post
    well no
    Brother, you should have left it at this. We have plenty of threads to discuss time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Brother, you should have left it at this. We have plenty of threads to discuss time.

    Yeah I realized I was hijacking and stopped replying,, I shoulda just said nice job and went to the thread this came from to discuss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephR View Post
    Yeah I realized I was hijacking and stopped replying,, I shoulda just said nice job and went to the thread this came from to discuss.


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    Nice post desert, sorry to derail Delmar


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Then God had a "beginning."

    We can never claim one thing without implying the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Then God had a "beginning."

    We can never claim one thing without implying the other.
    Only if you assume time had a beginning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Only if you assume time had a beginning.
    It must be assumed. You cannot have a point B without a point A.

    The concept, measurement, and meaning of time depend on what happens between point A and B. Without both, you have no time. A stop watch that you never press to begin cannot do anything regarding time.

    God cannot ever have had a beginning so there is no such thing as time (no point A) other than as it pertains to His creating (In the beginning).
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