Hi derf, I've shared more than enough on ECT in the thread in question, in my blog link which links older commentaries. I think that sufficiently covers my observations on the subject. I reject ECT on principle alone, for starters. Hence 'conditional immortality', 'universalism' and more liberal schools of Spiritualist and Theosophical traditions resonate more with me. Since you apparently have not read my former commentaries on Timetheos thread, you cant see where I have supported his position on 'conditional immortality' by showing the injustice, immorality and cruelty of ECT, and biblical support for 'conditional immortality'....yet there is also passage support for universalism. You dont have the total picture. I take no dogmatic view or assumption of what the Bible teaches since it can be interpreted so many ways.