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The dizzy one is you.
WHICH CHURCH WAS HEBREWS WRITTEN TO?
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The dizzy one is you.
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You do slander me, even you saying I don't know what slander is.
Jesus had to die and he taught that he did.
I gave you many scriptures where Jesus taught he had to die.
I even gave you scriptures that have the disciples understanding it.
Anyone not understanding that does not change the truth.
No matter how many times you claim it does.
Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
The Jews and many Gentiles knew animals were sacrificed for the forgiveness of sins.
To sacrifice an animal means to kill it, to shed its blood.
You have been trying to obfuscate from that by acting like the people thought the goat living and going to the wilderness was the way sins were forgiven.
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Nobody can slander someone in WRITTEN communication. So AGAIN, you do not even know what slander means.
No kidding. Who said otherwise?
No kidding. Who said otherwise?
Is Luke 18 also missing from your Bible?
The TRUTH is that they did NOT understand it and that it was HID from them. THEREFORE, it is OBVIOUS that they were not preaching it to Israel as part of their gospel of the kingdom.
You deny CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS scripture.
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You slander me is my speaking according to the scriptures. The scriptures didn't have you libel me.
They understood Jesus said he would die and rise again.
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That's the most intelligent thing that you've said in this thread.
I strictly tell the truth about you.
Is Luke 18 missing from your Bible?
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With your reasoning, Jesus should have came here to earth, lived, died, and then came back and taught everything.
Jesus taught to believe in him and that he would die.
Then he died and it was taught by all the apostles.
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I simply let the scripture speak for itself.
The SCRIPTURE says that the twelve did NOT understand His death (let alone His resurrection) and THEREFORE it is obvious to any logical person that they could NOT have been preaching His death during their preaching to Israel before that.
Not when He sent them out in Luke 9, He didn't!
He didn't teach them about that until Luke 18!
Even in Acts 1-8 you will not find "the preaching of the cross" as GOOD NEWS. I know you're attempt to force that into the scripture, but it's not there.
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Jesus taught it.
I gave many scriptures to you showing that Jesus taught it. In addition, I have scriptures that say they understood.
It also doesn’t matter what you claim people understood or not. What matters is what Jesus taught and that we have his teachings.
What exactly do you think that proves for your case?
Jesus taught he was going to die.
It was prophesied in the OLD TESTAMENT.
How long before Luke 9 is that for you?
Jesus taught what we have to do and what not to do.
He had to teach that, and then he died for that.
Even John the baptizer said he would die for the world when he said:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:36 When he saw Jesus walking by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!"
John 1:43 The next day Jesus decided to set out for Galilee. Finding Philip, He told him, "Follow Me."
John 2:1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there,
John 6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh."
You even brought up Luke 9 where he started teaching he would die.
Did you forget?
By the way, what do you ever think it proves or disproves? Jesus taught HOW TO GET SAVED, and then he died and rose again.
The covenant didn’t go into effect until his blood was shed.
The GOOD NEWS IS Jesus Christ.
Nothing came into effect until his blood was shed.
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Luk 18:31-34 KJV Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: (33) And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. (34) And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
- They understood NONE OF THESE THINGS.
- This saying was HID FROM THEM.
- NEITHER KNEW THEY THE THING WHICH WERE SPOKEN.
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Jesus taught it and it doesn't matter if you say they didn't understand it, even though the scriptures do say they understood, which you dismiss.
We can read what Jesus taught and get to understand it if we obey the commands Jesus teaches.
Jesus says he lives with those who obey his teachings, and it is to them that he gives understanding.
Uh, no, RD quoted scripture saying they did NOT understand.
Why do you deny what scripture says?
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You are one of the most illogical posters here on TOL. It's no wonder that your "story" does not match what the Bible actually says.
You think that THEY, who did NOT understand His death when HE explained it to them, were preaching this their whole ministry to Israel.
That is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT as to whether the TWELVE were preaching something that THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND and was HID FROM THEM.
Again, NOTHING to do with the question at hand.
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Just read what Jesus taught and believe. Don't worry about what you think doubting Thomas understood.
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John 1:29 John the baptizer proclaimed Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Jesus preached to his disciples that he would have to die.
Matthew 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Matthew 17:12 But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him whatever they wished. In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands."
Mark 10:33 "Look, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and scribes. They will condemn Him to death and will deliver Him over to the Gentiles,
Luke 18:32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.
John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."
John 12:33 He said this to indicate the kind of death He was going to die.
Luke 9:22 And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 9:44 "Let these words sink into your ears: The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men."
Luke 24:44 Jesus said to them, "These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms."
EVEN NON BELIEVERS KNEW JESUS PREACHED HE WOULD DIE AND RISE AGAIN.
Matthew 27:63 "Sir," they said, "we remember that while He was alive that deceiver said 'After three days I will rise again.'
Jesus preached to his disciples that he would have to die.
Matthew 16:21 From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Matthew 17:12 But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him whatever they wished. In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands."
Mark 10:33 "Look, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and scribes. They will condemn Him to death and will deliver Him over to the Gentiles,
Luke 18:32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.
John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."
John 12:33 He said this to indicate the kind of death He was going to die.
Luke 9:22 And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 9:44 "Let these words sink into your ears: The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men."
Luke 24:44 Jesus said to them, "These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms."
EVEN NON BELIEVERS KNEW JESUS PREACHED HE WOULD DIE AND RISE AGAIN.
Matthew 27:63 "Sir," they said, "we remember that while He was alive that deceiver said 'After three days I will rise again.'
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First you argued that Jesus didn't teach his death.
And you said no one knew.
I gave many scriptures that show Jesus taught he would die.
I gave scripture where John the baptizer knew.
There is one gospel that saves.
It was taught to all.
Believe and obey Jesus Christ.
He taught the way to get saved and then shed his blood for his will, the covenant.
And you said no one knew.
I gave many scriptures that show Jesus taught he would die.
I gave scripture where John the baptizer knew.
There is one gospel that saves.
It was taught to all.
Believe and obey Jesus Christ.
He taught the way to get saved and then shed his blood for his will, the covenant.
Yes, that is what is being discussed, GT, and what RD presented to you, which you deny.
Why do you deny what scripture says?
What does Thomas have to do with anything that has been said so far?
Liar.
No one argued that.
The BIBLE says that.
Not in dispute.
Sorry, but lambs never took away sin according to Mosaic law.
Which has nothing to do with this.
Cherry picking verses doesn't help your argument.
Luke 18 clearly states that the disciples DID NOT UNDERSTAND that Jesus had to die.
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What else are you going to say?
They spent a lot of time teaching to listen to Jesus, to do what he says, to believe what he says. God also testified to what they said by allowing them to do many miracles.
How do you ever get that teaching to have faith in Jesus and obey him is irrelevant?
Everything I said has to do with the question. You just don't want to see it because then you would have to repent for it.
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Don't obfuscate.
He had said Jesus never taught he would die.
Now that I prove Jesus did teach he would die, he changed it to "but they didn't understand".
So what if they didn't understand it yet?
They eventually did.
Not understanding doesn't change the truth.
NO ONE was reconciled to God unless they believe and obey Jesus and received his Holy Spirit.
Jesus came and preached how to get saved, then died, and then gave the Holy Spirit after, to all, who believe and obey.