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21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life [Eternal life], verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Those who have understanding, will realize that this scripture indicates that Eternal Life was never intended with Adam, for he was made under a law covenant. At best, Adam had he not sinned, would have continued in a state of natural life and happiness, but Gods Eternal Purpose of Eternal Life in Christ, far exceeded the Life God had designed for man, such life as the redeemed shall enjoy in heaven and the renewed earth. But this Eternal Life pertained to a Covenant of Grace, from everlasting, whereby God Promised Eternal Life Titus 1:2
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
This Promise was before Adam was created under the covenant of works in the garden !
It was made before the world was, A Promise made to the Surety of the Covenant, Christ the Son of God, who existed as the Federal Head of His People, His Church, His Body, it was made to Him for them. He asked life of His Father for them in this Covenant, and the Father gave it to Him, even length of Days for ever and ever !
2 Tim 1:1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Ps 21:1-5
1The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice!
2Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.
3For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head.
4He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.
5His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him.
Isa 53:10
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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October 14th, 2010, 09:43 AM
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Gal 3:
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life [Eternal life], verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Those who have understanding, will realize that this scripture indicates that Eternal Life was never intended with Adam, for he was made under a law covenant. At best, Adam had he not sinned, would have continued in a state of natural life and happiness, but Gods Eternal Purpose of Eternal Life in Christ, far exceeded the Life God had designed for man, such life as the redeemed shall enjoy in heaven and the renewed earth. But this Eternal Life pertained to a Covenant of Grace, from everlasting, whereby God Promised Eternal Life Titus 1:
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
This Promise was before Adam was created under the covenant of works in the garden !
It was made before the world was, A Promise made to the Surety of the Covenant, Christ the Son of God, who existed as the Federal Head of His People, His Church, His Body, it was made to Him for them. He asked life of His Father for them in this Covenant, and the Father gave it to Him, even length of Days for ever and ever !
2 tim 1:
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
ps 21:
1The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice!
2Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.
3For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head.
4He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. 5His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him.
Isa 53:
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Hi beloved,
I enjoyed the scripture selections and your comments.
I agree ... all things were made BY Him and FOR Him... and I particularly liked your statement:
The eternal promise was made "TO Him for them."
I also agree with this conclusion:
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At best, Adam had he not sinned, would have continued in a state of natural life and happiness,
and with this:
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but Gods Eternal Purpose of Eternal Life in Christ, far exceeded the Life God had designed for man, such life as the redeemed shall enjoy in heaven and the renewed earth. But this Eternal Life pertained to a Covenant of Grace, from everlasting, whereby God Promised Eternal Life Titus 1:
All was well said.
One of my most recent favorite verses is Colossians 1:15 KJV
I believe the purpose the LORD God created the Adam #1 (male/female) of the garden was in order to:
1.) Initiate the process of growing HIMself a family after HIS original image and likeness
2.) Be a creature upon which HE could show his love and grace and mercy.
3.) Have a family unto which HE could reveal HIS visible glory and reveal HIMself as their Creator and Lord.
I also speculate that Adam (if he chose at some point to disobey God/IOW sin in the Garden) was also created to become a partaker in the battle against evil ... and through humanity God would rid the angelic world of rebellious evil angels and rid our natural world of rebellious humans.
IOW, God had the Messiah ready to make men righteous ... but also had a plan to rid the creation (heaven and earth) of all evil.
Adam was an object of the LOVE of our LORD ... but Adam was also a temptation to the Satan, which would bring the final judgment upon Satan and his followers.
Satan blew his second chance with God when He could not resist tempting mankind in the Garden. At that point Satan and his followers came under the same curse as mankind.
Which makes this scripture make total sense:
Ps 82:8 KJV
God was speaking to Satan when he said: "you (Satan) will DIE LIKE MEN and fall like one of the princes.
I believe that this refers to the SECOND DEATH mentioned in the book of Revelation - which is the fate of lost men and angels.
Many people do not understand, but Adam was suppose to sin, to make way for Gods Greater and Eternal Purpose through Christ. Eph 3:9-11,8
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Adam was created subservient to the Eternal Redemptive Purpose of Christ and the Mystery of the Gentiles.
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
That is, Adams sin and bringing sin into the world was needful and important for the grander purpose of preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ !
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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October 16th, 2010, 12:47 PM
Hi beloved57,
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Adam was suppose to sin !
Many people do not understand, but Adam was suppose to sin, to make way for Gods Greater and Eternal Purpose through Christ. Eph 3:
I sort of agree with what you have said - in this way:
I believe that Adam had freewill and could have chosen not to sin ... and then Adam and his descendants would have lived in an on-going daily continuing state of fellowship with God.
If Satan had left mankind alone then he would have continued to remain in his continuing cast out lesser godly form for the rest of his days.
But neither one did ... so God's pre-designed plan was set in place. In fact, I look at things this way. God agreed to die for the sake of mankind before the world was ... but at the moment Adam sinned, God died ... or, IOW, he became the predestine God/man who began a journey on a time line to fulfill his role as the suffering savior.
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9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
I agree that this plan was established from the beginning of the world ... but it was set in motion (as an on-going process) when Adam sinned.
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10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Yes, God was to reveal unto the angels THEIR FATE ... through HIS WORKS among and through mankind as Emmanuel.
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Adam was created subservient to the Eternal Redemptive Purpose of Christ and the Mystery of the Gentiles.
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
That is, Adams sin and bringing sin into the world was needful and important for the grander purpose of preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ !
Agree ... and here is the mystery!!!
God creates angels ... 1/3 rebel and are punished ... but not annihilated.
God creates man (male female) after his own likeness ... but unlike angels ... they are able to reproduce after their own kind. IOW, God began growing himself a special family through an on-going birthing process.
Because of the gift of freewill given to angels and men ... God knew that man had the ability to sin and angels still had the potential to sin as well.
So the plan from God was how to restore what men and angels would destroy.
HOW? ANSWER: Dust
God formed man's physical body out of DUST. At the 'fall' of Satan and man in the Garden ... God cursed the DUST and immediately everything, which had been formed of these particular worldly elements (or that were associated with these elements of creation) began to DIE. Man having been associated with the dust of the ground through his body was also cursed to partake of it for the rest of his life.Of course this condemned mankind to the FIRST DEATH - aka physical death - which became an on-going process. This allowed, regarding mankind, for the birthing process to continue and for death process to also reign simultaneously.
So how does Satan and his rebellious angels fit into this perfect plan of birthing and dying? ANSWER:
Well, they don't fit in to the physical birthing process, but they are associated with the dying process. It is through the SECOND DEATH.
HOW?
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Satan was cursed, just like Adam, to partake of the dust of the ground for the rest of his life.
IOW, so goes the cursed DUST ... so goes lost men and angels.
The lost angels are commanded to eat the cursed dust of men ... but saved humanity were to be rescued by, through, IN Christ.
This is why Satan argued with God's angel about the possession of the dusty dead body of Moses. Moses had sinned greatly and did not deserve God grace ... Satan felt that his body belonged to him- due to Moses's sin and his command to partake of the cursed dust for the rest of his life. God disagreed and rescued the body of Moses.
Due to the curse of the DUST ... and to Satan's attachment to it at the fall, lost men and angels will meet the same fate at the second death. This is why God said this to Satan,who happened to be standing before GOD accusing HIM of being repeatedly too merciful toward undeserving pitiful mankind, in Psalm 82:7 KJV
"But ye (Satan) shall die like men, and falllike one of the princes."
Man and angels meet the same fate at the second death!
For me, the revelation of what was going on in Gen.3 and within Psalm 82 became the keys for my understanding the mystery God had in mind from the beginning of the world.
Present every Man Perfect in Christ ! -
October 21st, 2010, 10:39 PM
Col 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Before God created the world, the Earth, it was Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:8-11
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
It was His Eternal Purpose to Present every man Perfect through Christ, not Adam !
Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Last edited by beloved57; August 8th, 2011 at 01:58 PM.
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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October 22nd, 2010, 06:38 PM
Hi beloved57,
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col 1:28
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Isn't it wonderful that men who are saved and IN CHRIST have been made perfect?
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eph 3:
8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Isn't it great that men have been allowed to participate in spreading the good news?
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9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
The fellowship of man with God in the Kingdom has been hid IN (the invisible essence of) the ONE God who created all things by the divine visible Lord Jesus Christ. Now all things, which are hidden withIN the spirit of Christ and only comprehended as through a glass darkly, ... will be revealed. At the time of revelation we will know our Lord as we are known by him.
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10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Angels are watching God's work among men while trying to understand the plans that God has made for men and angels.
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11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Our God manifested his presence as Lord among men ... and his presence existed before the world ... as the original image of God - (first mentioned Gen. 1:26-27), (the image) which was the first of all created creatures... Colossians 1:15 KJV ... and which was used by God for his purposes.
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It was His Eternal Purpose to Present every man Perfect through Christ, not Adam !
So true... but Adam #1 was the beginning of the multiply and reproduce process ... where God began growing himself a family after his own image and likeness.
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Adam was purposed to sin against God in order that he himself and his seed would be presented perfect in Christ.
Yes, that was God's plan for rescuing man ... but that's not all. Adam was created to take part in the defeat of Satan. HOW? It was man that was to be Satan's ultimate temptation... and it would the DUST of man that would lead to Satan and his followers death.
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The Eternal Purpose of creation was to in the fulness of time gather together all things [beings] both men and angels in Christ.
Adam was not created for that purpose, for he could never had been the head of angels which were in heaven.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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God, before He created adam, in His Eternal Purpose in Christ, had determined to unite all things unto Him as to be governed by Christ. Christ must needs be, by Sovereign Eternal decree and purpose ,become the Head of a New Creation.
Adam was not to be this Head. All creation was to have a harmonious unity in Him [Jesus Christ] for whom All things were made Col 1:14-18
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Many today, being blinded by the devil, the god of this world, give adam the preeminence over creation instead of Jesus Christ.
They believe Jesus was a backup plan of God, because of Adam's failure, not realizing that adam was created subservient to and to serve the Eternal redemptive purpose centered in Christ Jesus.
Thats what Eph 1:9-10
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
It was always Gods own purpose in Himself to gather together in one all things in Christ, this was never a honor for adam.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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October 23rd, 2010, 06:23 PM
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Gather together all things in Christ, not adam !
eph 1:
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The Eternal Purpose of creation was to in the fulness of time gather together all things [beings] both men and angels in Christ.
adam was not created for that purpose, for he could never had been the head of angels which were in heaven.
Hi Beloved,
Ponder these ideas:
1.) God created an image for His personal use and purposes. That IMAGE was obviously male, because God then formed Adam #1 a physical form after His image and likeness.
2.) God commanded Adam #1 to multiply and reproduce after his own kind; therefore, the potential genetic code for any and all human beings were placed IN ADAM ... with the ability to bring them forth within the creation/world.
3.) In these later days (since Christ the second Adam) has completed his WORK among men ... now all of 'saved' humanity is being placed IN HIM by the power of the Spirit ... and HE (the gift of the Spirit provided by Christ) has the ability to bring them forth within the kingdom of our Lord.
4.) Yes, Christ existed before everything - for He was the WORD, who was both WITH God and WAS God from the beginning. Yes, our divine Lord God was manifested as a human being (Emmanuel) and was called Jesus - and our Lord Jesus was both God and Lord as promised in (Isaiah 43:11KJV) and explained in (Colossians 1:15 KJV).
5.) Therefore our Lord Jesus is able to be all things regarding our salvation.
a.) The invisible Creator,
b.)the Lord God of Israel, who was able to appear unto the patriarchs,
c.) The manifested divine promised mortal sacrifice,
d.) the Spirit of salvation, who can dwell IN US,
e.) AND the actual spiritual REALM where we will be manifested IN HIM!... for because HE is IN US ... we are IN HIM!
Jesus was/is so much more than what a mere man can behold and comprehend.
In Gods original and Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
It was God's will that Man, should hold a higher rank than the Angels, but when He made Adam from the dust of the ground, He never intended Adam to be the man who would be the Head of that Glorious class of Men.
That Man was Jesus Christ; You see Adam could not have been that Man because he was taken out of the ground, and made originally lower than the Angels. Even if Adam had not sinned, he was not fit to take Man to that Level of felicity and Honor and Glory God intended for Man through Jesus Christ. For it was Truly God's Purpose that Man fulfills this High Honor through redemption and salvation, hence it is written Ps 149:4
For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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October 27th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Hi beloved57
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In Gods original and Eternal Purpose in Christ eph 3:
11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
It was God's will that Man, should hold a higher rank than the Angels, but when He made Adam from the dust of the ground, He never intended Adam to be the man who would be the Head of that Glorious class of Men.
I agree ... but it was through Adam #1 that God began growing himself a family after HIS OWN IMAGE AND HIS OWN LIKENESS.
IOW, God had already created a physical form for his original purpose. Gen.1:26-27 KJV. When Adam was given the same image and likeness of God's chosen form then Adam became the conduit for bringing forth a family that favored our Lord God.
Why do I bring up the NAME LORD (or Jehovah) ... the LORD God?
Because this was the NAME God selected for His physical form, which He used to appear unto mankind. Exodus 3:6 KJV and Exodus 6:3 KJV and Exodus 34:5-6 KJV.
This is why Adam #1 was a male form in the beginning... because the IMAGE belonging to God - named LORD - was a male presence!
Adam #1 contained all the potential children that would ever be born after the likeness of His (God's) chosen presence.
The male likeness which our Lord Jesus bore here on earth was also that of the original IMAGE and likeness belonging to God. God had finally manifested IT in the form of mortal flesh; therefore, it is more correct to say: men look like our Lord ... instead of saying that our Lord Jesus looked like a man. I guess both statements are true, but since God had His IMAGE FIRST ... then it is more correct to phrase it this way - men looked like our Lord.
If all these things are true, then, you might ask:
Why wasn't our LORD Jesus (who was God and was with God in the beginning) called the first Adam instead of the second Adam?
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Because our LORD ... (God's visible IMAGE representing the spiritual nature of our ONE invisible God within the creation) was NOT a lesser MAN! He was first a glorious super-natural presence... not bound by the laws of our world and our flesh. He could even appear within a burning bush or a fiery furnace!
Yet, God was able to manifest a likeness of His form out of dust (IOW, the lesser presence called the first Adam) ... and then later manifest His form again out of lesser dust - which had been cursed (IOW, the second Adam).
This is why we say things like:
Our divine Lord submitted Himself to our imperfections of sin and death in order to come among us as our Savior in mortal flesh.
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That Man was Jesus Christ; You see Adam could not have been that Man because he was taken out of the ground, and made originally lower than the Angels. Even if Adam had not sinned, he was not fit to take Man to that Level of felicity and Honor and Glory God intended for Man through Jesus Christ. For it was Truly God's Purpose that Man fulfills this High Honor through redemption and salvation, hence it is written ps 149:4
I so agree. And will point out again ... that it was the male presence of the LORD God that was created to fulfill the miracle of Salvation and to manifest a perfected family and kingdom unto God... FOR all things were made BY HIM and FOR HIM. Colossians 1:13 KJV; Colossians 1:14 KJV; Colossians 1:15 KJV; Colossians 1:16 KJV
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For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
I so agree. I also believe this to be a key fact.
Isiah 43:11KJV
I (the ONE invisible God) even I, am the (visible image named) LORD, and with out ME (as the invisible God- who is able to appear as your LORD) there is no SAVIOR.
Jesus was the manifestation of our God in His image as our Savior in mortal flesh - Emmanuel!
agree ... but it was through Adam #1 that God began growing himself a family after HIS OWN IMAGE AND HIS OWN LIKENESS.
The Image of God in Adam though Good, even very Good was not God's Ultimate Purpose for man.
Gods Best for man was centered in the Eternal Purpose of Christ, and Man being redeemed from sin and being conformed into the image of Christ, who was the more of the express image of His Person.
rom 8:
28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son[Jesus Christ], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Now this was written of Him Heb 1:
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
That was a much Higher and Nobler Image of God to be conformed to than in Adam.
Now which do you think is the More Glorifying To God, being in the image of God by Adam, or being in the image of God through Jesus Christ ?
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Ps82 KJV You will die like mere men, you will fall like one of the princes, but who is it that is not a man that dies like a man?
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October 29th, 2010, 09:34 AM
Hi beloved57,
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The Image of God in Adam though Good, even very Good was not God's Ultimate Purpose for man.
I agree that there is more to the plot ... but the fact that God shared HIS IMAGE with Adam is a point that so many people over look, choose to minimize and ignore... and out right deny.
For in the sharing of IT ... God reveals part of his plan for His relationship with mankind - a Father and His Children, A brother and His brothers and sisters.
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Gods Best for man was centered in the Eternal Purpose of Christ, and Man being redeemed from sin and being conformed into the image of Christ, who was the more of the express image of His Person.
I'd add this.
Yes ... everything centers on our LORD because this is the truth: (Isaiah 43:11 KJV)
Mankind already shares the likeness and image of God ... but in a lesser glory ... but we are to be or are being (for I consider it a process) transformed into the likeness of His resurrected GLORY.
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28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son[Jesus Christ], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Allow me to add a different perspective to this verse.
I believe that the ONE that was foreknown by God was the Image He created and called LORD.
We have come to know Him as our Lord Jesus, the savior of mankind.
God knew the Son before he was manifested in flesh ... and God before the world was predestined HIM to be transformed into the likeness of His Own Son in Flesh.
So, you might ask: Where was the Son before the world was?
The answer is: He was ONE with God! Jesus reveals their relationship, and it is recorded in John 17:4-5 KJV, within a prayer that our Lord Jesus prayed to the Father LORD shortly before his crucifixion.
4 I(Lord Jesus) have glorified You (LORD God) on the earth (in flesh among men): I have finished the work which You gave me to do (of providing the WAY of salvation for mankind).
5 And now, O Father, glorify You me with Your Own Self - with the GLORY which I had (IOW, I shared) with You before the world was.
If one studies the IMAGE of God ... then one discovers that this was God's GLORY, which he revealed unto men and angels within His creation in the OT as a super natural presence representing only Him.
God predestined The presence of the LORD to be conformed in to the likeness of a Son of the LORD ... the difference between the Father and son being - super-natural glory versus the lesser glory due to the essence of flesh. They are actually still the ONE God (Isaiah 43:11 KJV) ... but revealed as two Lordly images.
So when you now read this verse:
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29For whom he did foreknow, [b]he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son[Jesus Christ], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
You comprehend that:
God knew the Father and the Son as the LORD. They shared the ONE image God had created before the world was, and God did predestinate the image of the LORD to be conformed into the image of His Son... so that the Son might be the firstborn among many of His brothers. Jesus actually asked for God to return to him the identical GLORY he had once SHARED with the Father in the OT.
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Now this was written of Him Heb 1:
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
Wow! I'd say that God answered the prayer of our Lord Jesus, the Son ... and gave him back the original GLORY ... so that NOW he is the brightness and the express IMAGE of His (The LORD's) person.
My Lord Jesus, the Son - now sits on His own Throne to the right of The LORD, the Father. Two identical LORD's, who are the ONE God, are both equally glorified and appearing! Once they shared the GLORY as ONE LORD ... but now they share the GLORY as two identical LORDS. The alpha and the omega ... the beginning and the end ... our creator and our savior ... the ONE God appearing as LORD (Isaiah 43:11KJV)
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That (the glory of God's visible presence) was a much Higher and Nobler Image of God to be conformed to than in Adam.
I so agree regarding the insert I added above in blue.
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Now which do you think is the More Glorifying To God, being in the image of God by Adam, or being in the image of God through Jesus Christ ?
Through Jesus of course... but God began the process of our being conformed to his SUPER NATURAL GLORY ... when He shared the likeness of His image with Adam #1... now we have the hope of being conformed to the GLORY of Adam #2 ... our Risen and glorified Lord Jesus.