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March 25th, 2012, 08:57 PM

Who Justifieth the Ungodly.

Nobody and nor do we need it. We have science, knowledge, evidence and reason on our side. Get back to us when your Jack and the beanstalk rubbish has anything to back it up. I'll be waiting:-)



   
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March 25th, 2012, 09:13 PM

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Who Justifieth the Ungodly.

Nobody and nor do we need it. We have science, knowledge, evidence and reason on our side. Get back to us when your Jack and the beanstalk rubbish has anything to back it up. I'll be waiting:-)

See ya at the Judgment !





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March 25th, 2012, 09:21 PM

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See ya at the Judgment !
Which one? Christianity, Islam, various pagan beliefs, Hindu, Valhalla, Judaism, The happy hunting grounds or dreamtime. There are so many gods and so many beliefs it's hard to keep track. Still the beers are on me when we meet up in the afterlife.



   
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You find out when you get there !





"All things turn out according to Divine predestination, "There is no such thing as chance or fortune, nor is there a readier way to gain the fear of God, and to put our whole trust in Him, than to be thoroughly versed in the doctrine of predestination." Philipp Melanchthon
   
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Justified before saved ! - March 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM

Paul writes Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The Elect are Justified solely by the Blood of Christ, even before they are saved ! Paul states to the Church, being now Justified by His Blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. The we here is not just those he was then writing to, but includes all for whom the Blood of the Covenant was shed for, the many Matt 26:28, for they all were Justified by His Blood no matter what generation they would be born in, they shall be saved from wrath through Him ! All the Elect of God because of the Blood of Christ alone are saved from God's Wrath in this Life and the One to come. Those born children of wrath by nature, are even saved from God's Wrath, were others are said to have it abiding on them Jn 3:36

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

God's wrath cannot be abiding on a Justified person, made so by Christ's Obedience Rom 5:19b, even though they are born enemies and unbelievers by Nature as Others !





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God imputes Righteousness without Works ! - March 31st, 2012, 03:27 PM

Rom 4:6

6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

God imputes Righteousness without Works , that is previous acts from the sinner, without works. Works is the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Basically this means that this person or persons had Righteousness imputed unto them for not doing anything !

This includes heart Work by which we Believe Rom 10:10

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This is so because Righteousness is imputed solely because of Christ's Obedience to Law and Justice on behalf of all He died in the stead of Rom 5:19

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

All for whom Christ died [The Many] have Righteousness imputed to them, even while they are " by nature, children of wrath as others" !





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March 31st, 2012, 03:39 PM

"GOD Justifies the ungodly": this is the most remarkable verse in the Scriptures! The self-righteous man will scoff at this forever! For:Mat_9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mar_2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luk_5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.



   
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March 31st, 2012, 07:46 PM

Who are the objects of God's Justification ?

I do not believe it can be made more plainer who they are Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


It's the Elect of God, and them only !





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Justified by His Blood - April 1st, 2012, 04:19 AM

All for whom Christ died scripture indicates that they are Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The word Justified is the greek word dikaioō and means:


to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

So everyone Christ died for is declared Righteous before God, and their deliverance from God's Wrath is ensured, that is from His retributive wrath for their sins. They by the Blood of Christ [alone] are freed from the Law of sin and Death, in that God in Justice can never punish them for their sins again for Christ's Sake. Even when one who is covered by the Blood of the lamb, is born into this world as a by nature, child of wrath as others, they are never and can never be under God's vindictive and punitive wrath, for that could only be if Christ had not already satisfied all of God's Law and Justice on their behalf by His Cross ! Consequently, every ungodly sinner that is born into this world, whom Christ died for Rom 5:6, shed His Blood for, are already Justified from all things, and stand before God clothed in the perfect Righteousness of Christ, solely by Grace Rom 3:24; Yes in themselves deserving as others wrath and condemnation, but because of Christ, they are born into this world, even as ungodly sinners, Heirs of Eternal Glory !





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All for whom Christ died scripture indicates that they are Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The word Justified is the greek word dikaioō and means:


to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

So everyone Christ died for is declared Righteous before God, and their deliverance from God's Wrath is ensured, that is from His retributive wrath for their sins. They by the Blood of Christ [alone] are freed from the Law of sin and Death, in that God in Justice can never punish them for their sins again for Christ's Sake. Even when one who is covered by the Blood of the lamb, is born into this world as a by nature, child of wrath as others, they are never and can never be under God's vindictive and punitive wrath, for that could only be if Christ had not already satisfied all of God's Law and Justice on their behalf by His Cross ! Consequently, every ungodly sinner that is born into this world, whom Christ died for Rom 5:6, shed His Blood for, are already Justified from all things, and stand before God clothed in the perfect Righteousness of Christ, solely by Grace Rom 3:24; Yes in themselves deserving as others wrath and condemnation, but because of Christ, they are born into this world, even as ungodly sinners, Heirs of Eternal Glory !
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something that is built should not be called a building, why would you need the blood an flesh of a living Man, whom just told the person before you, Go now your sins are forgiven...whats wrong with you that he needs to be cut off from the living to save you? Faith is made weak without question! Words are made powerless.





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Amen bro! Beautifully put!
Do you understand what I am saying here ? Break down to me what you perceive me saying here please !





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something that is built should not be called a building, why would you need the blood an flesh of a living Man, whom just told the person before you, Go now your sins are forgiven...whats wrong with you that he needs to be cut off from the living to save you? Faith is made weak without question! Words are made powerless.
Do you understand post 39 ?





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Do you understand what I am saying here ? Break down to me what you perceive me saying here please !
Yes my friend i can. I perceive that the point your making clear is that all of GOD'S people were chosen in Christ before the world even began! Christ was already our Guarantee to suffer for every single sin that each and every individual would commit, whom the Father gave to Christ before the foundation of the world this was already settled BY GOD. Being Predestined By The Determined WILL OF ALMIGHTY GOD! IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM NOT TO RECEIVE CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR BY HIS SPIRIT IN TIME! FOR ALL OF GOD'S ELECT IS EXACTLY WHAT CHRIST'S WORK ON THE CROSS WAS,AND IS TO EFFECT! There are no loose ends with GOD! ALL HIS WORK,AND HIS PEOPLE ARE PERFECTLY CONNECTED TOGETHER IN ONE{CHRIST JESUS} BY THE SPIRIT/HIS SPIRIT/WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF ALMIGHTY GOD!



   
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Yes my friend i can. I perceive that the point your making clear is that all of GOD'S people were chosen in Christ before the world even began!
Yes ! The Elect,not all men without exception !

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Christ was already our Guarantee to suffer for every single sin that each and every individual would commit, whom the Father gave to Christ before the foundation of the world this was already settled BY GOD.
Yes, He was the Surety of God's People. He was bound by Covenant Engagement to be 100 % responsible for the law breaking of all God's Elect, in fact Their sins were not even charged to the Elect, but to Him before the world began ! 2 Cor 5:19

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Being Predestined By The Determined WILL OF ALMIGHTY GOD! IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM NOT TO RECEIVE CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR BY HIS SPIRIT IN TIME!
Yes, they had been ordained to eternal life, so they would believe Acts 13:48, 2 Thess 2:13

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FOR ALL OF GOD'S ELECT IS EXACTLY WHAT CHRIST'S WORK ON THE CROSS WAS,AND IS TO EFFECT!
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There are no loose ends with GOD! ALL HIS WORK,AND HIS PEOPLE ARE PERFECTLY CONNECTED TOGETHER IN ONE{CHRIST JESUS} BY THE SPIRIT/HIS SPIRIT/WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF ALMIGHTY GOD!
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