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  • #16
    Promised Land

    Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

    Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

    The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab
    From there they moved to Egypt

    (Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

    (Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

    (Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

    (Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

    (Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

    Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wanderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains

    the truth will set you free

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
      It was a promise that came with conditions. The Lord said; if you do this, I will bless you but if you do that I will curse you.

      If you fail to see the difference you have blinded yourself of the truth
      You'd best get busy and read further in the Book.
      Jer. 31:35-36 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: 36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
        Promised Land

        Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

        Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

        The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
        http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab
        From there they moved to Egypt

        (Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

        (Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

        (Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

        (Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

        (Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

        Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wanderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains

        the truth will set you free
        A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Seek knowledge...don't try to dispense it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
          It was a promise that came with conditions. The Lord said; if you do this, I will bless you but if you do that I will curse you.

          If you fail to see the difference you have blinded yourself of the truth
          If you were not blind to what scripture says, it is you that fails.

          GOD will perform HIS oath because it is HIS name on the line, not Israel's.
          GOD will keep HIS word no matter how badly they act.


          Ezekiel 36 KJV
          (22) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.




          Ezekiel 36 KJV
          (32) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.




          1 Samuel 12 KJV
          (22) For the LORD will not forsake his people for his great name's sake: because it hath pleased the LORD to make you his people.




          Isaiah 43 KJV
          (25) I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.




          Isaiah 37 KJV
          (35) For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.




          Isaiah 48 KJV
          (9) For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.
          (10) Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
          (11) For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.



          Daniel 9 KJV
          (18) O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.
          (19) O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.




          Deuteronomy 9:4-6 KJV
          (4) Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
          (5) Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
          (6) Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.



          It'a GOD's holy name sake that can be counted on, not Israel's.

          We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
          They already know monsters exist.
          We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tambora View Post
            If you were not blind to what scripture says, it is you that fails.

            GOD will perform HIS oath because it is HIS name on the line, not Israel's.It'a GOD's holy name sake that can be counted on, not Israel's.
            Yes, God will perform His oath, but it is not God’s oath that is on the line, it is his chosen.

            God chose them to show us how to treat the stranger & told them the rewards they would get in return

            (Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
            (Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
            (Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:
            (Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

            It is now up to the Jewish people to convince the Israelis to do the right thing in the Lord's name.

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            • #21
              Welcome to TOL [MENTION=20964]jamesdyson[/MENTION]
              “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

              ― Theodore Roosevelt

              Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
                Yes, God will perform His oath, but it is not God’s oath that is on the line, it is his chosen.
                Nope.
                Scripture plainly says that GOD does not do it because they are any better than others, but simply because HE said HE would do it.

                We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
                They already know monsters exist.
                We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
                  The Israeli's claim the land they now occupy the homeland of the Israelites while their great leaders were buried elsewhere; Israel, Isaac, Rebekah, Abraham, Leah and Sarah were not buried in the land we now call "Israel" but in a land called Canaan which was beyond the Jordan river.
                  The children of Israel traveled through Shittim, the land that is now called Jordan, until they reached the Jordan river and then they crossed over the river into the land of Canaan, the land we now call "Israel".



                  Joshua 3:1
                  1 And Joshua rose early in the morning; and they removed from Shittim, and came to Jordan, he and all the children of Israel, and lodged there before they passed over.

                  Learn to read what is written.

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                  The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tambora View Post
                    Nope.
                    Scripture plainly says that GOD does not do it because they are any better than others, but simply because HE said HE would do it.
                    And so He did---
                    Ezekiel
                    1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
                    2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
                    3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
                    4 Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north:
                    7 And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.
                    9 Son of man, prophesy, and say, Thus saith the LORD; Say, A sword, a sword is sharpened, and also furbished:
                    12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.
                    13 Because it is a trial, and what if the sword contemn even the rod? it shall be no more, saith the Lord GOD.
                    17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said it.
                    20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.
                    24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
                    25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
                    27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
                    29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
                    30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
                    31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
                    32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

                    According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                      The children of Israel traveled through Shittim, the land that is now called Jordan, until they reached the Jordan river and then they crossed over the river into the land of Canaan, the land we now call "Israel".
                      You can't just read what you want to hear and disregard the rest

                      Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,
                      Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;
                      Genesis 49:31 There Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, there Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and there I buried Leah.
                      Genesis 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation:
                      Genesis 50:13 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.
                      Genesis 50:14 After burying his father, Joseph returned to Egypt, together with his brothers and all the others who had gone with him to bury his father.

                      The Israeli's claim the land they now occupy the homeland of the Israelites while their great leaders where buried elsewhere; Israel, Isaac, Rebekah, Abraham, Leah and Sarah were not buried in the land we now call "Israel" but in a land called Canaan which was beyond the Jordan river.

                      Why is there such a disconnect from biblical history and the occupied land of today?

                      You bury your great leaders in your own homeland

                      Which Is Not the land falsely called “Israel” today
                      The truth will set you free

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
                        You can't just read what you want to hear and disregard the rest

                        Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,
                        Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;
                        Genesis 49:31 There Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, there Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and there I buried Leah.
                        Genesis 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation:
                        Genesis 50:13 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.
                        Genesis 50:14 After burying his father, Joseph returned to Egypt, together with his brothers and all the others who had gone with him to bury his father.

                        The Israeli's claim the land they now occupy the homeland of the Israelites while their great leaders where buried elsewhere; Israel, Isaac, Rebekah, Abraham, Leah and Sarah were not buried in the land we now call "Israel" but in a land called Canaan which was beyond the Jordan river.

                        Why is there such a disconnect from biblical history and the occupied land of today?

                        You bury your great leaders in your own homeland

                        Which Is Not the land falsely called “Israel” today
                        The truth will set you free
                        Here is the location of the cave of Machpelah near Mamre where Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rebecca, and Leah were buried.
                        Please note that it is in the land that is TRULY called "Israel" today.


                        Here is a map that traces out Joshua's conquest of the land of Canaan.
                        Please look at where the cities are located inside the land that is TRULY called "Israel" today.
                        Learn to read what is written.

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                        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
                          God’s Chosen People
                          I believe God is now judging them for the last time. If they do not ask God for forgiveness and repent for their past deeds; then all will be lost.
                          How is this different than anyone else's predicament before they come to Christ?
                          Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

                          It is true that Trump does not fit modern Republican principles, but that is because modern Republican principles have strayed far from conservatism. genuineoriginal

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                            Here is a map that traces out Joshua's conquest of the land of Canaan.
                            I stand corrected, the Israeli leaders were possibly, buried where you show them but still this is irrelevant to todays discussion. “All” the Israelites packed up their belongs and moved to Egypt leaving everything else behind; leaving any claim they may have behind as well.

                            Please note, English citizens left England and moved to America, according to your logic we Americans can claim England today.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
                              I stand corrected, the Israeli leaders were possibly, buried where you show them but still this is irrelevant to todays discussion. “All” the Israelites packed up their belongs and moved to Egypt leaving everything else behind; leaving any claim they may have behind as well.
                              What is the time limit for an "everlasting possession"?

                              Genesis 17:8
                              8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


                              God also promised to give the children of Israel the land of Canaan after they left Egypt.

                              Leviticus 25:38
                              38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.


                              There is something special about the land of Israel.

                              Deuteronomy 11:12
                              12 A land which the Lord thy God careth for: the eyes of the Lord thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.

                              Learn to read what is written.

                              _____
                              The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                              ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jamesdyson View Post
                                Yes, God will perform His oath, but it is not God’s oath that is on the line, it is his chosen.

                                God chose them to show us how to treat the stranger & told them the rewards they would get in return

                                (Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
                                (Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
                                (Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:
                                (Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

                                It is now up to the Jewish people to convince the Israelis to do the right thing in the Lord's name.
                                Oh, like this?
                                Deut. 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

                                You left out this portion...why is that?
                                Deut. 7:7-8 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

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