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  • #76
    Oh, and thanks for the kudos Boom and Knight.

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    • #77
      All votes pre-yesterday were erased. Did you by chance vote prior to yesterday?

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      • #78
        Sanders does a fairly extensive job on Calvin regarding his teaching that God "lisps" so that mankind can know Him.

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        • #79
          I'll need to get back to that then though I am nor sure how cogent it would be to the argument for or against inclusivism/restrictivism.

          Might it possibly be a tangent as well as an attempt to poison the well?

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          • #80
            Hey now! How can 1013 have a vote on me already? He hasn't even spoken yet! Was I that bad?
            No, I'm just that good!

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            • #81
              This has GOT TO BE the best BR to date. Just the opening statements were beyond excellent.

              I specifically admire:
              Originally posted by 1013
              I will not be arguing this position except to point out that every Calvinist and anyone else who has a history intertwined with Classical Theism ought to tip their hats to this form of inclusivism. Why? Because pagan Greek thought has, for better or for worse, and I truly believe for better AND for worse, influenced Christian thought, and I do emphasize, as every classical theist should (though I am not one), that it happened for the better.
              The TF made my heart skip a beat

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              • #82
                As of today this Battle Royale is monumental in that it is the first between 2 TOL mods, that and the fact that I am moderating it

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Yxboom
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                  • #84
                    Yea you know it dog.....when I get to moderate the BR's bring IT!

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                    • #85
                      Might it possibly be a tangent as well as an attempt to poison the well?
                      I doubt he goes into this in his book on the subject (I don't remember him doing so). He discusses it in The God Who Risks for sure where it's more relevent.

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                      • #86
                        BTW Yx I found a copy of that Patey book. Sheesh, liberal twaddle, dialoguing mostly with Rahner.

                        oh wait...

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                        • #87
                          Pilgrimagain, don't rush on my account. I'm in no hurry.

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                          • #88
                            speak now or forever...hold thy peace..

                            Pilgrimagain you said...and you emphasized "the confess with your lips part"

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                            because **if you confess with your lips** that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. The scripture says, "No one who believes in him will be put to shame."
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                            This is the clear prescription for salvation and as far as I am concerned it is the one essential doctrine of any Christian church.. *Let me be clear*…to be a Christian *one *must* confess with the lips* and believe in ones heart that Christ was raised from the dead.


                            Pilgrim..in Your church if someone can't technically confess with there lips..are they damned?


                            I mean..are there not any Christians amongst those who for whatever reason can't speak or who have lost there voice?

                            Are you really suggesting that the verse above is that "literal" and arbitrary, and that there are NO exceptions?

                            If someone is born without the ability to speak or looses there vocal cords and there is no way for them to "confess with there "lips" are they damned?

                            How about a step farther..the mentally impaired who can't grasp the things of God..who are born with a mental impairment that renders them devoid of any cognizant skills, who are completely oblivious, are they hell bound?


                            nice job 1013..
                            good point knightro..

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Yxboom
                              As of today this Battle Royale is monumental in that it is the first between 2 TOL mods, that and the fact that I am moderating it
                              When did Pa become a mod?

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                              • #90
                                Are you really suggesting that the verse above is that "literal" and arbitrary, and that there are NO exceptions?
                                Even if it's literal, it isn't stated in an absolute way.

                                notice that "if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." is logically equivalent to the statement "if you turn the key in your car ignition, your car will start. But this statement does not imply that it is impossible to start your car without keys. You can after all hotwire a car. That is the "technicality" that Pilgrimagain acknowledged in his post.

                                nice job 1013.
                                thank you much.
                                Last edited by 1013; January 18th, 2003, 02:54 PM.

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